Eddie Howe

[STM]

46 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I was responding to a comment about our signings.

 

[andycap]

Not great reading is it. 

[Ben]

If it wasn't for those Chelsea and Man Utd results we'd be right in the clarts just now

[duo]

1 hour ago, andycap said:

Not great reading is it. 

It's not been great watching either

[ianbeany]

26 minutes ago, Ben said:

If it wasn't for those Chelsea and Man Utd results we'd be right in the clarts just now

 

If we'd even only won just one of them I'd be shitting myself right now

[Heron]

If we'd only not put the ball in our own net from 16 yards (away) and shit our pants at home to Sunderland we'd probably be considering this an alreet season now too (positionally)

[Conjo]

12 hours ago, Zero said:

 

How about just change the manager himself?

 

I mean, think again, you are asking to hire a new coach that

1. Able to do the job you mentioned - challenge Howe current approach: AND

2. Got Howe’s trust to listen to him, instead of continue his own way

 

Because Eddie is great in so many other ways. Why risk losing all of that compared to just adding another coach to the team that can provide some new ideas. Don't know where it's coming from that Eddie is this ruthlessly stubborn guy incapable of listening to anyone else. Is it all based on an assumed/imagined power play behind the scenes between him and that Paul guy?

[Zero]

5 hours ago, Conjo said:

 

Because Eddie is great in so many other ways. Why risk losing all of that compared to just adding another coach to the team that can provide some new ideas. Don't know where it's coming from that Eddie is this ruthlessly stubborn guy incapable of listening to anyone else. Is it all based on an assumed/imagined power play behind the scenes between him and that Paul guy?

 

It’s not related to Howe. It’s simply unrealistic. Imagine you are a manager at work. Now your boss （me) said your past approach doesn’t work and I tell you to hire a new guy, reporting to you, that he has to have a different approach, and his responsibility is to “give you new idea”. Even if he disagrees with what you’re doing, you need to listen and trust him.

 

you think this is realistic?

 

 

Edited April 27 by Zero

[McDog]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

 

It’s not related to Howe. It’s simply unrealistic. Imagine you are a manager at work. Now your boss said your past approach doesn’t work and now i tell you to hire a new guy, reporting to you, that he has to have adifferent approach and his responsibility is to “give you new idea”. Even if he disagrees with what you’re doing, you need to listen and trust him.

 

you think this is realistic?

 

I think if it were me and I knew I had been doing a great job for most of my short career and it was the first time my department had suffered a downturn, I'd go home and tell the misses they can shove it so far up their ass it'll come out their nose assuming I knew there was a market for my services. Then I'd tell my boss "Sure, sounds like a great plan" then send out CVs everywhere plotting my exit asap. Ungrateful fuckheads. 

That's just me.

 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, McDog said:

 

I think if it were me and I knew I had been doing a great job for most of my short career and it was the first time my department had suffered a downturn, I'd go home and tell the misses they can shove it so far up their ass it'll come out their nose assuming I knew there was a market for my services. Then I'd tell my boss "Sure, sounds like a great plan" then send out CVs everywhere plotting my exit asap. Ungrateful fuckheads. 

That's just me.

 

If I’d made a £250m mistake I wouldn’t have to wait for the criticism - I would have resigned before the bullet came.  But then I wouldn’t compare myself to a person who is paid millions to be accountable for those decisions - it’s almost as if the standards I’d expect in my working practice aren’t the same as those of a PL football manager. 

[Dr Venkman]

15 hours ago, rgk_lfc said:

There have been plenty of managers over the last 25 years who have impressed in various shapes and forms. But only a select few have proven to have the ability to cross that final divide - win the PL, compete in the CL as they belong, win a cup playing excellent, outstanding football, leaving no doubt that their team deserved the trophy. Eddie Howe is one of them. Be very, very careful if you want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Iraola, Glasner - all look impressive on paper, but they have not been tested in the final hurdle. 

 

I have been on record here as being an Eddie Howe fan. I believe I praised his achievements on here before he was linked to your job. In 2016, when it was time to replace Rodgers, Michael Edwards had a three-person shortlist - Ancelotti, Klopp, and Howe. Klopp won out due to his experience. When it was time to replace Klopp, Edwards again had three people - Alonso, Slot, and Howe. Howe declined to even consider the position. I am betting next time the LFC job opens up, which may be as early as May, Howe will be on Edwards' shortlist. 

 

Has he made mistakes with signings? I don't know the full details, and you all know more than I do, but it looks like he has. Maybe he does not have the best acumen for players. And based on what you all are saying, he is responsible for your club not performing to expectations this season. Having said that, Howe has that unique ability that top managers like Klopp and Guardiola have: at its peak, when everything is purring, the football is irresistible, untouchable; average players suddenly look five times better. You did not win the cup or compete in the CL by playing plucky underdog football. Your team stepped onto the pitch and competed as if they deserved to be there. Managers who can instill that come along once every decade. 

 

So why risk it? Wouldn't it be better to hire a strong CEO who can handle Howe's and a DOF's clashes and create a path forward, constantly reminding both of them that they need each other to succeed? 

 

If you end up relieving Howe of the manager's job this summer, he is not going to take over a lower-league club. There is a very good chance that he ends up at a club like Liverpool with someone like Michael Edwards pulling the strings from the background. 

 

Great post. And interesting because I’ve been assured a few times on here that clubs like Liverpool would never consider appointing Eddie.

[The Prophet]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

If I’d made a £250m mistake I wouldn’t have to wait for the criticism - I would have resigned before the bullet came.  But then I wouldn’t compare myself to a person who is paid millions to be accountable for those decisions - it’s almost as if the standards I’d expect in my working practice aren’t the same as those of a PL football manager. 

 

What if you'd spent around £100 million (net), with a previous decent record working in collaboration, after your boss and his boss walked out of the company, leaving you to cover parts of their gig, while also doing your own?

[Chicken Dancer]

They wouldn’t, especially on the back of this season. 

[TheBrownBottle]

12 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

What if you'd spent around £100 million (net), with a previous decent record working in collaboration, after your boss and his boss walked out of the company, leaving you to cover parts of their gig, while also doing your own?

If we’re getting down to brass tacks, some of us have covered several roles at once including directors and managers who’ve left and had a degree of accountability for it.  I also didn’t politic my directors out of the organisation. 
 

But the comparisons to everyday life are irrelevant.  Football managers are paid to get results - it’s ultimately the way in which they are assessed.   There’s four games left and we’re 14th.  

[Kid Icarus]

30 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

They wouldn’t, especially on the back of this season. 

The two seasons Klopp had before going to Dortmund were relegation and failure to get promoted. His season before going to Liverpool he had Dortmund in 7th on 46 points.

 

Kompany's season before Bayern was relegation with Burnley. Everyone thought they were a bit mental to hire him.

 

If clubs rate someone and target them, for better or worse they tend not to have the same short-term view fans tend to have.

[Chicken Dancer]

46 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

The two seasons Klopp had before going to Dortmund were relegation and failure to get promoted. His season before going to Liverpool he had Dortmund in 7th on 46 points.

 

Kompany's season before Bayern was relegation with Burnley. Everyone thought they were a bit mental to hire him.

 

If clubs rate someone and target them, for better or worse they tend not to have the same short-term view fans tend to have.

I take your point but I still don’t think Liverpool would appoint Eddie Howe.

 

I guess we won’t have too long to find out, given Slot is probably on borrowed time (ish). 

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I take your point but I still don’t think Liverpool would appoint Eddie Howe.

 

I guess we won’t have too long to find out, given Slot is probably on borrowed time (ish). 

From what I've seen, they're keeping Slot next season. 

I don't think they would either, but I don't think it would be anywhere near as crazy as some make out, definitely not crazier than Kompany to Bayern for example. Especially as one of the main points that's made in the 'If not Eddie, who?' thread is that we could/should be looking at managers who haven't reached their full potential yet - something that I think you could very easily view Howe as being. 

[Holmesy]

30 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

From what I've seen, they're keeping Slot next season. 

I don't think they would either, but I don't think it would be anywhere near as crazy as some make out, definitely not crazier than Kompany to Bayern for example. Especially as one of the main points that's made in the 'If not Eddie, who?' thread is that we could/should be looking at managers who haven't reached their full potential yet - something that I think you could very easily view Howe as being. 

I don't think it's a stretch to flip it the other way as well though, and only time will truly tell.
Massive improvement at Bournemouth, punching above their weight before a huge tail-off
Massive improvement at Newcastle, punching above our weight before a huge tail-off

2 instances don't make a trend of course, and we'll only truly know Eddie's full potential if we keep him but if you were a prospective board looking at that you'd take it into account. The thing that would stand in his favour is most managers in the PL don't last this long, so if they're looking for massive improvement in the short-term, Eddie should absolutely be considered. 

I am interested to see if he can pull through this because I think it will define his future career-path if he does.

[dcmk]

It's takes some going to use a loss, away at Arsenal, as further evidence that Eddie can't turn it around. 

 

We played well, and with a better front 3 we take something out of the game, imo.

 

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

2 minutes ago, dcmk said:

It's takes some going to use a loss, away at Arsenal, as further evidence that Eddie can't turn it around. 

 

We played well, and with a better front 3 we take something out of the game, imo.

 

 

Played well? 

[dcmk]

1 minute ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Played well? 

For a team well out of form, with nothing to play for against one of the best teams in Europe right now... Yes, we lacked quality in the final third.

 

 

Edited April 27 by dcmk

[Chicken Dancer]

59 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

From what I've seen, they're keeping Slot next season. 

I don't think they would either, but I don't think it would be anywhere near as crazy as some make out, definitely not crazier than Kompany to Bayern for example. Especially as one of the main points that's made in the 'If not Eddie, who?' thread is that we could/should be looking at managers who haven't reached their full potential yet - something that I think you could very easily view Howe as being. 

It’s definitely not crazier than Bayern appointing Kompany I’ll give you that, but if it was this summer that Bayern were looking for a manager I don’t think they’d be taking Scott Parker. Kompany’s name in football was likely a big reason for them appointing him, and from memory didn’t they court others only to be knocked back a fair bit? Sure it got pretty embarrassing.

 

Slot to Liverpool is actually a decent example as he wasn’t a ‘big’ name (though had just won the Dutch title, though not much global standing granted). 
 

I could see Man Utd and Chelsea going in for Howe (he wouldn’t touch Chelsea IMO) just couldn’t see it at Liverpool. Not a slight on Howe just can’t picture it. Maybe I’m wrong. 
 

I think Liverpool 10 years ago would have FWIW. 

[Holmesy]

23 minutes ago, dcmk said:

It's takes some going to use a loss, away at Arsenal, as further evidence that Eddie can't turn it around. 

 

We played well, and with a better front 3 we take something out of the game, imo.

 

 

I think it's fair to say we played better than most games recently. There were signs we were trying to keep the ball more and taking more risks playing the ball forward rather than backwards and sideways. But, we usually do step it up against the bigger teams - it's the smaller ones we seem to struggle to get up for. Some definite green shoots though, albeit small ones.

I also think we saw enough of Wolte/Wissa in their short cameo to suggest they're worth a start together in the next game. Probably wishful thinking because that would require a change of system but if not now, when?

[Andy]

29 minutes ago, dcmk said:

We played well, and with a better front 3 we take something out of the game, imo.

 

 

 

To be fair, we had the option to play a better front three. Certainly a more expensive front three. 

 

The decision to put out an almost entirely toothless left hand side contributed massively to our lack of goal threat. 

[SUPERTOON]

2 hours ago, Dr Venkman said:

Great post. And interesting because I’ve been assured a few times on here that clubs like Liverpool would never consider appointing Eddie.

Just because a Liverpool fan said they would, doesn't mean they will mind. Of course that works both ways, with Newcastle fans saying the opposite.