Eddie Howe

[JEToon]

 

If West Ham and more so Brighton had a tactical plan it was quite crap for me regardless of how the game played out.

 

Brighton in particular had a plan of what? give them loads of chances, they will miss and we might score one. I wouldn’t be enamored with a manager of ours playing that kind of football, that is absurdly high risk.

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, Kanj said:

Think that’s the same for nearly all managers; your plan a variation or plan b is brining in subs who offer something different to what started. It’s a different style player. Our subs have won us points this season many times. It just didn’t work at all Monday. 

You could see more tactical variation. Sometimes Liverpool play with a single pivot in midfield, sometimes double.  Ours is nearly always single.  
 

Our Xg was double of West Ham’s. We should’ve scored and won.  Had we scored at any point between nil nil or 1-0 we probably win it.  
 

BUT an Xg of 1.64 at home, to a poor West Ham, and being behind for 80 minutes does still indicate a lack of creativity and belief. Both things can be true.  
 

The PSG handball is only possible because PSG kept the pressure for 90 minutes. The relentless pressure gifted them a lucky break.   We didn’t and never got our break.  

 

 

Edited November 28, 2024 by The College Dropout

[The College Dropout]

Also we are giving teams code that we will punch ourselves out at home.  It’s happened twice. 
 

That will give travelling sides some hope.   ‘Keep these goalless for 30 minutes and the whole stadium will lose belief.’

[mondonewc]

Just me that wishes there was a new thread such as "Sack or keep Eddie Howe"? Then those who want to discuss this to death after every goal we concede can do as they wish and the rest of us can avoid it and keep checking in this thread for all things Eddie Howe.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, JEToon said:

 

If West Ham and more so Brighton had a tactical plan it was quite crap for me regardless of how the game played out.

 

Brighton in particular had a plan of what? give them loads of chances, they will miss and we might score one. I wouldn’t be enamored with a manager of ours playing that kind of football, that is absurdly high risk.

 

It's hard for me to comment really because I wasn't able to watch the Brighton game, was only able to keep up with it via checking the score every so often, but we supposedly missed chance after chance, then they scored. Once that happened I sort of knew we weren't going to win.

 

The West Ham game, again couldn't watch the first half due to other commitments, but we were 1-0 down when I tuned in second half. Never felt like we were going to get a win, and we conceded again. To me they looked pretty much in control and we were just throwing stuff at them in desperation. For all the loads of chances we supposedly had, their keeper barely had to make a save.

 

There's days when you don't score and every team has them. But combined with giving away soft goals most games this season, it doesn't inspire confidence.

[JEToon]

5 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

It's hard for me to comment really because I wasn't able to watch the Brighton game

 

Could have stopped there really. 

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, JEToon said:

 

Could have stopped there really. 

 

I think you probably did.

[The College Dropout]

9 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

It's hard for me to comment really because I wasn't able to watch the Brighton game, was only able to keep up with it via checking the score every so often, but we supposedly missed chance after chance, then they scored. Once that happened I sort of knew we weren't going to win.

 

The West Ham game, again couldn't watch the first half due to other commitments, but we were 1-0 down when I tuned in second half. Never felt like we were going to get a win, and we conceded again. To me they looked pretty much in control and we were just throwing stuff at them in desperation. For all the loads of chances we supposedly had, their keeper barely had to make a save.

 

There's days when you don't score and every team has them. But combined with giving away soft goals most games this season, it doesn't inspire confidence.

We were good in the first half.  Unlucky to go in behind.  
 

Second half was shambolic in comparison. 

[Kanj]

Hold on. If you haven’t seen the full 90 but have developed a hot take after said negative result that’s absolutely ridiculous. Abstain, please. Thanks.  

[Kanj]

In hockey there’s a whole concept called puck luck. In the NBA there are legit calls that go towards superstars at the big teams.  In NFL there are calls that go towards the big teams and their quarterbacks. So when anyone tries to tell me that doesn’t happen in football, and “I don’t blame refs” we don’t get half the same shit the favored clubs get. It’s fucking bang on true. Liverpool get penalties weekly.  How about us? So at the same time I really want to point out that we’ve had mostly fuck all luck this season. Nee bounce. Nee ref. Nee shite. 

[Conjo]

45 minutes ago, Kanj said:

In hockey there’s a whole concept called puck luck. In the NBA there are legit calls that go towards superstars at the big teams.  In NFL there are calls that go towards the big teams and their quarterbacks. So when anyone tries to tell me that doesn’t happen in football, and “I don’t blame refs” we don’t get half the same shit the favored clubs get. It’s fucking bang on true. Liverpool get penalties weekly.  How about us? So at the same time I really want to point out that we’ve had mostly fuck all luck this season. Nee bounce. Nee ref. Nee shite. 

 

 

 

Liverpool 1 with more penalty than us over entirety of last season up to date.  Refs everlasting favorites Man Utd with 3 less than us.

[Kanj]

1 hour ago, Conjo said:

 

 

 

Liverpool 1 with more penalty than us over entirety of last season up to date.  Refs everlasting favorites Man Utd with 3 less than us.

Did you har har har when Wilson didn’t get a penalty? Or when we don’t get blatant fouls in the middle of the pitch? That change momentum or run of play. Do you sit rooting against us then?

 

You clearly don’t watch any other sports then. See LeBron James. Patrick Mahomes. And don’t even say it doesn’t apply to football. Bias in referees sadly happens far too often in sports.  Remember the dog awful thread we got here?

 

Posting that fucking screen is hilarious. Jsut saw Liverpool get two pens this very week.   to you. 

 

 

Edited November 28, 2024 by Kanj

[Conjo]

Merely pointing out that your feelings and reality might not be properly synchronized. 

[Kanj]

6 minutes ago, Conjo said:

Merely pointing out that your feelings and reality might not be properly synchronized. 

you’re prob right. While I know we are one of the most fouled teams I feel like we get fucked by flash points a lot and it feels a lot like injustice. 

[Erikse]

I wonder what that number would be without Gordon.

[Kanj]

20 minutes ago, Erikse said:

I wonder what that number would be without Gordon.

 Longstaff def getting 0

[Displayname]

It worries me that he cant find a place in the team for Tonali. Shouldnt be any doubt that he is a quality player and Eddie has had him under his wing for almost one and a half year now. Afraid that it shows that while he is a manager with a couple of extreme qualities, he is also a very limited one.

 

Now go on and prove me wrong again for doubting you Eddie

[Geogaddi]

16 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Also we are giving teams code that we will punch ourselves out at home.  It’s happened twice. 
 

That will give travelling sides some hope.   ‘Keep these goalless for 30 minutes and the whole stadium will lose belief.’

I think this could be a big problem , teams have feared coming here for the last two seasons and aside from a blip at home to Forest you only win here if you are a Man City, Liverpool or Arsenal. All of a sudden though we are now losing to the likes of Brighton and West Ham, teams won't be scared anymore.
 

Even our home wins this season have been tight and by the odd goal , we have been hammering teams at home for the last two seasons and we aren't doing that anymore either .

 

 

Edited November 29, 2024 by Geogaddi

[ExiledGeordie]

6 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

I think this could be a big problem , teams have feared coming here for the last two seasons and aside from a blip at home to Forest you only win here if you are a Man City, Liverpool or Arsenal. All of a sudden though we are now losing to the likes of Brighton and West Ham, teams won't be scared anymore.
 

Even our home wins this season have been tight and by the odd goal , we have been hammering teams at home for the last two seasons and we aren't doing that anymore either .

 

 

 

Our problem is other than Isak we don’t really have any regular goal scorers. Wilson yes but he barely plays and Barnes is a finisher but can’t get a start. We need someone else who is a legitimate threat and creates like on the RW. Gordon isn’t even creating a lot at the moment and he’s not a natural finisher. Logical thing currently seems to be pushing Bruno further forwards because he’s the only one who can open teams up. 

[SUPERTOON]

Still think our problems mainly stem from the lack of quality down the right hand side, even more so without Trippier. We are having to play players out of position on the RW or resort to either Murphy or Miggy, both aren’t good enough. Tino for as good as he has been hasn’t got the attacking quality either.

[Jackie Broon]

The right side is obviously a weakness, but for me our problems mainly stem from the position Bruno plays and a lack of creativity in central midfield.

 

We generally make things happen only when players push forward out of position and create an overload, but that leaves us vulnerable to the counter.

 

I think Bruno is our only player with the vision and ability to unlock defences without relying on creating overloads, but his position is too deep for that, and when he does often push forward it leaves us very vulnerable.

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2024 by Jackie Broon

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 hours ago, Displayname said:

It worries me that he cant find a place in the team for Tonali. Shouldnt be any doubt that he is a quality player and Eddie has had him under his wing for almost one and a half year now. Afraid that it shows that while he is a manager with a couple of extreme qualities, he is also a very limited one.

 

Now go on and prove me wrong again for doubting you Eddie

 

Yet. 

[PauloGeordio]

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[Lush Vlad]

I’d love to see Bruno further up. Mad that he did it when we had Shelvey. Who is even slower than Bruno. But it now feels like Howe wants athletes as his two ‘8’s’. Can cover wide, box to box with a lot of recovery runs like Joelinton and Longstaff make, able to consistently make those under/overlapping runs out wide. 
 

For all his slowness. Bruno actually has a great engine and does get around the pitch. I really would like to see him further forward now. It’s becoming a real problem our lack of creativity and he can definitely do a job there. I think he even sort of half complained about playing 6 (still should be 4 IMO) not long into his first full season and that he sees himself as an 8. 
 

We would lose something in our build up. But that has never been great, anyway. What with it seemingly reliant on just ‘get it to Bruno’. Despite how many players are marking him. If that fails. Then hit a cross field pass to Big Joe. 
 

Say Joelinton plays right again, Bruno plays RCM and Tino is at RB. That is more than solid enough down that side. The issue then is who plays deepest. As we only really have Tonali capable of playing there. Even then, he is very different to Bruno on the ball. But he would provide more legs and cover in that deep role. I think he started that position, too. Albeit in a slower league. 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2024 by Lush Vlad

[TRon]

22 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I’d love to see Bruno further up. Mad that he did it when we had Shelvey. Who is even slower than Bruno. But it now feels like Howe wants athletes as his two ‘8’s’. Can cover wide, box to box with a lot of recovery runs like Joelinton and Longstaff make, able to consistently make those under/overlapping runs out wide. 
 

For all his slowness. Bruno actually has a great engine and does get around the pitch. I really would like to see him further forward now. It’s becoming a real problem our lack of creativity and he can definitely do a job there. I think he even sort of half complained about playing 6 (still should be 4 IMO) not long into his first full season and that he sees himself as an 8. 
 

We would lose something in our build up. But that has never been great, anyway. What with it seemingly reliant on just ‘get it to Bruno’. Despite how many players are marking him. If that fails. Then hit a cross field pass to Big Joe. 
 

Say Joelinton plays right again, Bruno plays RCM and Tino is at RB. That is more than solid enough down that side. The issue then is who plays deepest. As we only really have Tonali capable of playing there. Even then, he is very different to Bruno on the ball. But he would provide more legs and cover in that deep role. I think he started that position, too. Albeit in a slower league. 

 

 

 

 

 

Would be interesting to see if Bruno got into the box more if he was played as an advanced midfielder. He scored goals in his first season here, can remember one really late winner where he arrived to head it in right at the whistle. That doesn't happen any more, maybe because he's more conscious his role is the deep lying midfielder.