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Ellis H

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I know it’s simplistic but his record here needs repeating. 

 

First full season - 4th

Second full season - 8 points off 4th (worst run of injuries I’ve ever seen at any club)

Third full season - Currently 4 points off 4th.

 

Pardew and Bruce? We’re almost at the Southgate stage of judging him on performances rather than actual, tangible results. Only Keegan and Robson have been this consistently good for us since about the 1950’s but it still isn’t enough for some, though I suspect nothing ever will be. 

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28 minutes ago, JEToon said:


Its rare for all but about 3 teams in the league to go on a winning run in all honesty, it’s a bit of a false opposition, it’s predominantly about points collection which we are still doing at a reasonable rate, can that improve, of course. The season really isn’t the dumpster fire you’re trying to push here. 
 

He’s a good coach and demonstrated that often enough

I go back to my original point - it’s not so much about the results, it’s about the performances. That’s what concerns me. We don’t look like we have any ideas. Our identity has gone, we’re probably the worst team in the league at attacking set pieces despite having a physically imposing team and our ability to unlock a tight defence has all but disappeared. Our one dimension is seemingly too easy to negate.

 

Are we seeing signs that these things are being addressed and are improving? Not to my untrained eye, no.

 

It’s far too early to call the season a dumpster fire but there are some really concerning signs that even the most ardent Eddie fan can’t ignore/deny.

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He definitely needs to be afford the time this season to address playing issues and hopefully January can help

with that. My hope is Tonali coming into the side can help settle the midfield a bit which has looked disjointed. 

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2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

My fucking god, forget I mentioned Pardew and Bruce, especially if you're not going to read the full post.

:lol:

 

Pardew sympathiser! Get him!

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I go back to my original point - it’s not so much about the results, it’s about the performances. That’s what concerns me. We don’t look like we have any ideas. Our identity has gone, we’re probably the worst team in the league at attacking set pieces despite having a physically imposing team and our ability to unlock a tight defence has all but disappeared. Our one dimension is seemingly too easy to negate.

 

Are we seeing signs that these things are being addressed and are improving? Not to my untrained eye, no.

 

It’s far too early to call the season a dumpster fire but there are some really concerning signs that even the most ardent Eddie fan can’t ignore/deny.

This is somewhat fair. However, on this forum we have some suggesting it's a results business and then on that basis he's under fire. Then, others saying it's more about performances.

 

I mean ultimately, it's both and we want both, but results are the priority and with the exception of some silly ones this week and a couple from earlier in the season, we're not doing all that bad. We've beaten or got results against teams we're less expected to and dropped them in the reverse scenario, like about 16 of the other teams in the division.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Heron said:

 

Good lord. Some statement that.


When you consider Harvey wasn’t working under Ashley with both hands tied behind his back you could definitely make an argument that Pardew > Harvey. 

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El Prontonise

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He's earned enough brownie points for the rest of the season, however I do believe the top brass might be getting more twitchy.

 

It's hard to know how involved he is with recruitment etc, but we needed to turn around a decent chunk of the squad in the summer and we didn't.  You can't sit still in football and that's what we are doing this season.

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Ellis H

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13 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

My fucking god, forget I mentioned Pardew and Bruce, especially if you're not going to read the full post.

What was the bigger picture with them? I only remember a very small one which resembled something drawn in human shit. Howe’s one is he’s doing really well despite performances not always being consistently good. 

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2 minutes ago, Ellis H said:

What was the bigger picture with them? I only remember a very small one which resembled something drawn in human shit. Howe’s one is he’s doing really well despite performances not always being consistently good. 

 

Every single non-Newcastle fan questioning why we were desperate to get rid, relentless shite in the media. Even some of our own liked Pardew right until the end.

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Just now, El Prontonise said:

He's earned enough brownie points for the rest of the season, however I do believe the top brass might be getting more twitchy.

 

It's hard to know how involved he is with recruitment etc, but we needed to turn around a decent chunk of the squad in the summer and we didn't.  You can't sit still in football and that's what we are doing this season.

 

Yeah, in practice if you sit still, you slide backwards.

 

One significant addition to the squad, either at CB or RW, could have made a big difference. It's not just a matter of that individual's quality. A big signing can energise a squad and give everyone at the club a lift. It's not clear why that didn't happen, but the changes behind the scenes with Staveley and Mitchell probably didn't help. On top of that, we're a bit light at CB due to injuries.

 

Overall, I think finishing 4th gave many supporters the impression that our squad is better than it really is. Nothing that's happened this season has deflected me from the opinion that Eddie is an exceptional manager who is doing very well with the players at his disposal.

 

 

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The people wanting him out are no worse than the people that are "were 3 points off so and so" 

 

6 points separates like 10 places in the league. We've been shite for the vast majority of the season.

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Only way he sees Christmas here is if the board don't have a replacement lined up. I'm concerned their go to is Jose. It lacks imagination. I think he'll do we enough short term, but it will fall apart, it always does. Chances are if we're still in the LC, the jammy fucker would win it. 

 

Some young and progressive managers in the league already, and shows switched on clubs can find them and punch above their weight. That was us. Certainly isn't now. 

 

I've always thought our coaching staff would be an issue, I think this is where Howe holds himself back mostly. There is no one there with any real elite level experience, most of them this is their highest level, and it's starting to show with lack of ideas and alternative strategies. 

 

I was always told Howe would be ruthless, I've seen nothing but misplaced loyalty both on and off the pitch. It's admirable, but limiting him and us. He has to change or he'll be changed. That's the life of a football manager, he needs to start to manage the situation and he's clearly not. This has been a full year of decline now. Not many managers survive that. 

 

Zero shots on target to a team fighting relegation. Bruce levels of shite. 

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4 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

Yeah, in practice if you sit still, you slide backwards.

 

One significant addition to the squad, either at CB or RW, could have made a big difference. It's not just a matter of that individual's quality. A big signing can energise a squad and give everyone at the club a lift. It's not clear why that didn't happen, but the changes behind the scenes with Staveley and Mitchell probably didn't help. On top of that, we're a bit light at CB due to injuries.

 

Overall, I think finishing 4th gave many supporters the impression that our squad is better than it really is. Nothing that's happened this season has deflected me from the opinion that Eddie is an exceptional manager who is doing very well with the players at his disposal.

 

 

Not gonna sit here and debate that with things like we’re showing around the same position as teams who would love Italian, Brazilian and English internationals to choose from as well as people as good as Barnes and tripps on the bench but that’s been done to death. Don’t know if it’s him or the clubs stubbornness to sell but if reports are true we turned down bids for him in Jan then that area needs work. 

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26 minutes ago, Heron said:

This is somewhat fair. However, on this forum we have some suggesting it's a results business and then on that basis he's under fire. Then, others saying it's more about performances.

 

I mean ultimately, it's both and we want both, but results are the priority and with the exception of some silly ones this week and a couple from earlier in the season, we're not doing all that bad. We've beaten or got results against teams we're less expected to and dropped them in the reverse scenario, like about 16 of the other teams in the division.

 

 

 


Performances are what the manager can control though. That’s his input, the rest is a result of that input plus luck. 
 

Of course you can play average and still deserve to win. And you can be the worse team and still defend well enough to deserve some points etc. 

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I think he’s tried to change the game plan from high intensity due to the injuries we were continually picking up. Unfortunately it left us in no man’s land. The squad isn’t technical enough to play any other way. 

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21 minutes ago, Menace said:

The people wanting him out are no worse than the people that are "were 3 points off so and so" 

 

6 points separates like 10 places in the league. We've been shite for the vast majority of the season.


I think they’re not justifying the performances, it’s more that there’s scope to catch up quickly so it’s not a lost cause. And to highlight how competitive the league is this year. 

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9 hours ago, JEToon said:


It is in the context of how the league season is playing out 


We have the same points as Villa and Spurs for fuck sake

 

its not optimistic it’s reality, had we won today we’d have been 2 points off third 

 

 

 

This is what's making me sympathetic to the up and down nature of our season - almost everyone bar Liverpool is experiencing it.

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