Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, Holmesy said: Football fans are fickle. I doubt they’re calling for his head now. The guy has won multiple trophies with teams that weren’t the best in their respective leagues. He regularly changes things to impact the flow of games and he’s flexible tactically. he’s a cut above IMO Exactly…they are fickle. Fo most of their respective careers, Emery has done brilliantly but he still has had more resources than Howe had until recently. In the PL, they have been pretty close to each other in terms of performance. Howe could get us to the CL Final (not that we will any time soon) and a few months later people would be calling for his head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 We are so easy to play against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyBartoon Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: You’re mental if you don’t think he’s elite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 The mentality used to be our biggest strength. Now it's our probably our biggest weakness. What the hell happened? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milburn Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Holmesy said: He has taken us as far as he will ever take us, unless he changes his approach significantly. Which he won’t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, dcmk said: We beat these, the league champions, in a final recently. Which was amazing but how long do we let that be the paper over the cracks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Mover Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: You lot will be broken clocks until you are finally right, and then pretend you weren’t horribly wrong for the last few seasons about a number of things. That’s what irritates me the most. The total lack of self awareness, or humility. If you lot are right in the end, your process of getting there has been dog shit. It’s really limbic system responses trying to disguise themselves as reasonable judgment. But we happen to have decent memories. i mean FFS we literally went toe to toe with PSG a few days ago. And yet we are bang in the middle of the table beneath Brentford and Everton and we spent circa 250m last summer to go backwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Joel Inton Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, dcmk said: You basically have. "Great not elite". Insinuating that to progress we need better. Who though? No, I haven’t. I’d assess it at the end of the season. Who is or isn’t available at that point would factor into the decision as to whether to change or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Anfield this season isn’t THAT hard to get a result. Liverpool is in a mess. Yes we have taken the lead first but generally this is an easy win for the scousers. We tried to outrun them and make it another type of sports but ultimately our weakness has been exposed and our in game management just make it worse. some are not Howe’s fault, like we are left with Trippier. Some definitely is his fault, like it’s fucking obvious that the scousers is exploiting Trippier and we did nothing. Thaw in fact knows how to play RB. He did that before. Or just to play Miley. Or even Murphy. I can’t help but feel sorry for Trippier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just don't understand the timing of his subs. Make the subs when 2-1 down instead of waiting and reacting to going 3-1 down making it incredibly hard for any subs to do anything, especially when Liverpool could just play counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said: The Howe defend-at-all-cost members out in full force I see. You can love Howe and everything he has achieved with us, beyond anything ever expected, but also recognise he has flaws and these are at times holding us back from progressing further. Plenty of areas that are well worth discussing: 1. His in-game management 2. His substitutions 3. His rotation of the squad 4. The ginormous gap between our defence and midfield that he’s never addressed in four years 5. His influence over some signings (for example, Elanga) 6. His rose tinted glasses for some players and continuing to play them when we have more inform/better players available 7. His inability to use a system that works with Woltemade despite huge sum being paid for him I stand by all my previous comments. He’s great but not elite and we’ll not progress further than this with him. A year in and a year out of the CL, with some good cup runs. That might be good enough for some. Honestly man, if you ignore the heaps of discussion about him, you're not allowed to criticise Howe on here. Is it too much to ask for a perfect, elite manager. Unai perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 After a really good performance on Wednesday against the European champions, why the fuck did he go 4 at the back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Sir Joel Inton said: Playing well against PSG and then shite for 60 minutes at Liverpool and conceding 4 is literally a great point to prove some of the areas I’ve highlighted. The rest of your post is just an irrational emotional ramble. for one, you know it isn't. You and a few others have been the kings of limbic system responses, but rarely have the balls to admit when you've been mistaken about things. You've also soiled this forum with constant moaning and negativity. It might as wel be 4chan with doom-masturbating clowns like you around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said: Exactly…they are fickle. Fo most of their respective careers, Emery has done brilliantly but he still has had more resources than Howe had until recently. In the PL, they have been pretty close to each other in terms of performance. Howe could get us to the CL Final (not that we will any time soon) and a few months later people would be calling for his head. He will never get us anywhere near a European final because he can’t manage two major competitions simultaneously, and the PL will always be the priority. And he’s spent a hell of a lot of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said: Exactly…they are fickle. Fo most of their respective careers, Emery has done brilliantly but he still has had more resources than Howe had until recently. In the PL, they have been pretty close to each other in terms of performance. Howe could get us to the CL Final (not that we will any time soon) and a few months later people would be calling for his head. Emery hasn’t had the resources at the clubs he’s succeeded at tbf. He’s actually struggled with more resources. Fwiw I think he’s a better manager than Howe, but Howe has done a better job here than Emery has at Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, toon25 said: After a really good performance on Wednesday against the European champions, why the fuck did he go 4 at the back? Botman "isn't 100%" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, The Butcher said: The mentality used to be our biggest strength. Now it's our probably our biggest weakness. What the hell happened? We are incredibly brittle these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Magpie Mover said: And yet we are bang in the middle of the table beneath Brentford and Everton and we spent circa 250m last summer to go backwards. yeah it's been a poor season. And Howe has made some baffling decisions. It was a poor summer after a brilliant last season, and it's fucking disappointing. But some of you were literally on his case back in September. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, JoeyBartoon said: You’re mental if you don’t think he’s elite Howe? You can’t be elite until you can manage a CL and League campaign successfully imo. I think the only elite coaches in the PL are Emery and Pep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelofTheFourth Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 "we are only 6 points of 5th" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Joel Inton Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said: for one, you know it isn't. You and a few others have been the kings of limbic system responses, but rarely have the balls to admit when you've been mistaken about things. You've also soiled this forum with constant moaning and negativity. It might as wel be 4chan with doom-masturbating clowns like you around. Sounds like an irrational emotional ramble to me. What have I not admitted I got wrong? Think you won’t have to look hard (like, 3 days ago). I also disagree about being “constant moaning and negativity”, you can refer to my posts in the Elanga, Ramsey and Wissa threads to find your recent examples there. But if we ignore all of that, you’re absolutely right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazeyb Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, Aiston said: Just don't understand the timing of his subs. Make the subs when 2-1 down instead of waiting and reacting to going 3-1 down making it incredibly hard for any subs to do anything, especially when Liverpool could just play counter. The timing of his subs is 67-68 minutes. Always. No matter what. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyBartoon Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, TRC said: Howe? You can’t be elite until you can manage a CL and League campaign successfully imo. I think the only elite coaches in the PL are Emery and Pep No I don’t think Howe is elite. I was saying emery is elite tactically Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Emery hasn’t had the resources at the clubs he’s succeeded at tbf. He’s actually struggled with more resources. Fwiw I think he’s a better manager than Howe, but Howe has done a better job here than Emery has at Villa. I think he probably is a better manager than Howe overall. He was my first choice. But Howe spent the first part of his career lifting up Bournemouth from the doldrums. Emery spent the first part doing very well with low tier teams, but jumping arounf a bit. I'd always be worried with him jumping ship after a few years though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Our premier league form is bang average this season, our away form is diabolical Edited January 31 by ExiledGeordie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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