toontownman Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Part of the problem is having had someone like Rafa who was looking for that long term legacy project. In my head at least I am hoping we hire the right person that will be here for 5 years or longer. I want the person they hire to be the person that lifts our first silverware in my lifetime. The reality is how many of the managers in these type of projects last (Chelsea, ManCity, PSG etc.) and how many "perfect fit's are out there?", especially right now. The likelihood is, whomever we appoint now might well not be here in a couple of years as the team evolves. That is why I don't mind the idea of an interim appointment now. The DOF and everywhere else in the club needs sorting to bring a vision and unity. Manager wise, right now we need someone that can reinvigorate and bring out the best in our squad to turn things around. Unless we can get the full package in a hire, we might need a completely different manager this time next year or the year after. For me that is why Rangnick is a perfect choice who can also move up into the club after finding a successor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Watched Danny Murphy talk shite about how Bruce is the best man for the job this season, and Conte has only managed world class players and has never been in a relegation battle. I doubted it so went to his Wikipedia and after 30 seconds read this: On 27 December 2007, Conte was appointed by Bari to replace Giuseppe Materazzi for the second half of their 2007–08 Serie B campaign. He oversaw a considerable upturn in form, leading the team out of the relegation battle and placing them comfortably mid-table. The following season, 2008–09, Bari were crowned Serie B champions, being promoted to Serie A for the 2009–10 season, Conte's first major honour as a manager. He also managed Siena who had just been relegated and got them promoted again. Honestly I'm sick of these English journeymen players who are pundits and just throw shite out there without knowing if its even true. Murphy is one of the worst and has been doing it for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Decky said: Watched Danny Murphy talk shite about how Bruce is the best man for the job this season, and Conte has only managed world class players and has never been in a relegation battle. I doubted it so went to his Wikipedia and after 30 seconds read this: On 27 December 2007, Conte was appointed by Bari to replace Giuseppe Materazzi for the second half of their 2007–08 Serie B campaign. He oversaw a considerable upturn in form, leading the team out of the relegation battle and placing them comfortably mid-table. The following season, 2008–09, Bari were crowned Serie B champions, being promoted to Serie A for the 2009–10 season, Conte's first major honour as a manager. He also managed Siena who had just been relegated and got them promoted again. Honestly I'm sick of these English journeymen players who are pundits and just throw shite out there without knowing if its even true. Murphy is one of the worst and has been doing it for years. Murphy is an absolute wanker of the highest order. Literally everything he says is utter bullshit. Anyway, what about Poch? Wasn't he rumoured to be high on the consortium's list in the early days of the takeover? Obviously he's at PSG but I don't think he's universally liked there and he only signed an 18 month contract. How about Conte to PSG and Pochettino to us? ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 52 minutes ago, Magpie said: Murphy is an absolute wanker of the highest order. Literally everything he says is utter bullshit. Anyway, what about Poch? Wasn't he rumoured to be high on the consortium's list in the early days of the takeover? Obviously he's at PSG but I don't think he's universally liked there and he only signed an 18 month contract. How about Conte to PSG and Pochettino to us? ? he signed a 1 year extension a couple of months ago, he's contracted up until summer 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, lovejoy said: he signed a 1 year extension a couple of months ago, he's contracted up until summer 2023 ?? Never knew that. Still, don't think he's liked much so maybe a chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 You guys are acting like we have any sway whatsoever to attract a top manager at this point in time. What we need is an improvement on Bruce (which Lampard and Gerrard are) as the first step, but no big name manager would touch us until our infrastructure is improved. I’d happily take Lampard or Gerrard for a couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 If they're actually looking for a Ralf Ragnarok style DoF, can't imagine they'd bring somebody in on more than an interim basis without making sure Ragnarok's down for it first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Decky said: He also managed Siena who had just been relegated and got them promoted again. Honestly I'm sick of these English journeymen players who are pundits and just throw shite out there without knowing if its even true. Murphy is one of the worst and has been doing it for years. Talking of which, I am pretty shocked Joey Barton hasn't mentioned it on twitter. Savage has been borderline respectful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: You guys are acting like we have any sway whatsoever to attract a top manager at this point in time. What we need is an improvement on Bruce (which Lampard and Gerrard are) as the first step, but no big name manager would touch us until our infrastructure is improved. I’d happily take Lampard or Gerrard for a couple of years. Like Benitez for example? Edited October 12, 2021 by Elliottman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 For those that say Lampard isn’t that bad, are there 3 Premier League managers worse than him? Which ones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, McCormick said: For those that say Lampard isn’t that bad, are there 3 Premier League managers worse than him? Which ones? Bruce OGS Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, McCormick said: For those that say Lampard isn’t that bad, are there 3 Premier League managers worse than him? Which ones? Bruce Farke OGS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, McCormick said: For those that say Lampard isn’t that bad, are there 3 Premier League managers worse than him? Which ones? Bruce Dyche OGS Ranieri Moyes I don't want Lampa4d but I'd have him over them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Moyes has proven far more than Lampard like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorCoarse Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Poll added Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Elliottman said: Like Benitez for example? You don’t think that was a massive one-off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Even if it was a one off there's definitely better more proven options available than Steven Lampard. Doesn't necessarily have to be Super big name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Moyes has proven far more than Lampard like. He has but would you have him here over Lampard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Can we have more than one vote? Maybe 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Moyes has reinvented himself, and is by far and away head and shoulders above Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Speaking of Moyes, he’d keep us up and has an eye for talent, his SAFC stint aside, he’s done a great job at Everton and now WHU, he’s old skool in terms of management style, but his team play with a plan, a certain style and he’s no dinosaur in that he uses tactics, data, analysis and other modern wizardry that has been missing from our club/Bruce’s set up in 14 years/his tenure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorCoarse Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dokko said: Can we have more than one vote? Maybe 3. No just one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 41 minutes ago, Dokko said: Bruce Dyche OGS Ranieri Moyes I don't want Lampa4d but I'd have him over them. Bruce is a given. OGS is debatable, Moyes is far more proven and currently doing very well, Ranieri has at least won the league and Dyche I disagree with. Farke has promoted a team from the Championship twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 We may not be able to attract the best managers now but if we’re struggling to name managers that Lampard is comfortably better than, then he won’t help us out of our current predicament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, McCormick said: Bruce is a given. OGS is debatable, Moyes is far more proven and currently doing very well, Ranieri has at least won the league and Dyche I disagree with. Farke has promoted a team from the Championship twice. Ranieri has won the Coppa Italia, Copa del Rey, Serie C, Serie B, UEFA Super Cup…can’t compare an old fox like him with Lampard, who’s in the beginning of his management career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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