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Xabi Alonso was a much better footballer better than Mr Liverpool and, from what I could see, that was the problem. Mr Liverpool didn't like being the second biggest fish.

This is just a lie. They got on really well and Gerrard was devastated that he left and called him one of the best players in the world

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I'm surprised Rafa didn't say it was a complete fuck up.  :whistle:

 

Selling Salah and De Bruyne when you don’t have to sell to buy is a mess up(Mourinho)

 

Selling Alonso because you have to sell to buy isn’t.

 

He didn’t have the luxury of Abramovich as owner.

 

Poor Rafa, maybe he shouldn't have bought so much absolute garbage at Liverpool then with his extremely limited funds.

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I'm surprised Rafa didn't say it was a complete fuck up.  :whistle:

 

Selling Salah and De Bruyne when you don’t have to sell to buy is a mess up(Mourinho)

 

Selling Alonso because you have to sell to buy isn’t.

 

He didn’t have the luxury of Abramovich as owner.

 

Poor Rafa, maybe he shouldn't have bought so much absolute garbage at Liverpool then with his extremely limited funds.

 

Some absolute outstanding buys Reina, Mascherano, Xabi Alonso, Sterling, Luis García, Kuyt, Torres

 

Alex Ferguson has a similar transfer record you judge them on what they win and how good a team they build which they both did so you can’t knock their signings if they build great sides.

 

Turned them into Champions League and FA Cup winners and Title challengers going a season only losing 1 game that’s what building a good team looks like.

 

You can’t do that if you’re just absolute garbage in the market.

 

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Rafa Benitez’s squad building success at Napoli

 

Signed Mertens for just £8m went onto score 100+ goals for Napoli

Signed Koulibaly for just £7m now worth £100million

Signed Jorginho for just £6m went onto be sold for big profit £55million

 

Garbage in the market though :iamatwat:

 

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Pretty sure I said he bought a lot of garbage as a Liverpool manager, not that Rafa is absolute garbage in the market.

 

Josemi

Nunez

Morientes

Zenden

Sissoko

Crouch

Gonzalez

Kromkamp

Paletta

Aurelio

Pennant

Voronin

Babel

Insua

Dossena

Keane

Riera

Johnson

Aquilani

 

Just some of his misses for Liverpool. No one is saying that Rafa isn't a great manager but it's hilarious how you think he has never in his career made a mistake which selling Xabi Alonso clearly was when he tried to replace him with £18m Alberto Aquilani.

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Alex Ferguson had a similar transfer record you judge them on what they win and how good a team they build which they both did so you can’t knock their signings if they build great sides.

 

Rafa Benitez turned them into Champions League and FA Cup winners and Title challengers going a season only losing 1 game, that’s what building a good team looks like.

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Bébé

Massimo Taibi

David Bellion

Dong Fangzhou

Eric Djemba-Djemba

Gabriel Obertan

Kléberson

Manucho

Fortune

Forlán

 

Must mean Alex Ferguson is garbage at buying playing and building sides.

 

Anyone want to do a Mourinho or Wenger list they’ve all got a list like that.

 

Fancy that..

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This is dull :lol:

 

Football is dull, it’s the same regurgitated conversations year after year by fans, media, anyone involved. Pretty much come to the conclusion that it’s a shit sport with even worse coverage.

 

It was once a great sport, ruined by coverage.

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Oh ffs

 

I have no interest in keeping this going. If you really think selling Xabi Alonso (who apparently wanted to stay and was under contract for 3? years) was a Rafa masterclass on how to operate in the transfer market, I don't know what else I could say.

 

And once again, I have never said Rafa isn't a great manager but you can't just rule out all his mistakes as bad scout advice or being forced to do something stupid.

 

Just to be sure, imo Rafa is a great manager.

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The strength with Rafa in the transfer market even when he does buy duds, is he’s excellent at improving even poor players’ games and I’d trust Rafa all the way with money buying players. Barry replacing Xabi would have been a downgrade of course, but wouldn’t have weakened Liverpool much if it all. Again Barry was underrated IMO and Rafa would have helped his game a lot. He transformed Gerrard and Torres isn’t world-class players, Bellamy and Carragher’s games come on massively under Rafa and so did Crouch.

 

Another strength with Rafa is he buys players for the right reasons, players identified to add to the team be it positionally, for extra depth or to develop into better players or players signed to improve the first-team in bigger ways. The more money he has to spend, the level of his success with a player and indeed their own grows massively as he’s proved and rarely has he signed a player and that player turned out to be a waste of money.

 

 

Every signing he made for Newcastle even dross like Joselu, gave just about enough to be considered good value. The total opposite of how the club’s own signings often end up working out and even the players that do work out individually, it’s never ever for the good of the team itself or about that.

 

There is no point signing the likes of Cabaye or HBA for a team managed by Pardew. Conversely there  is no point spending 2m on Kraft for a team managed by Bruce. Every signing in terms of what value or not they represent all amounts to the sum total of fuck all when the only value of NUFC as a team is keeping its status of a Premier League team, nothing more.

 

With what Rafa had to spend, I don’t think he could have bought anyone else than he did and achieved what he did or achieved more. He might be used to winning trophies and managing big ambitious clubs and coaching top players, but what he achieved here for me stood out as a job he not only overachieved, but succeeded where no-one other than him would have.

 

Bruce May keep us up this season, but he will take us down eventually and along the way the actual team itself, will suffer the most as good players become not so good players, promising players don’t become better players and players that do good get sold or agitate for a move.

 

Rinse and repeat. Under Rafa I sighed watching Joselu, but give me that over sighing watching the likes of Cabaye, Ba, Remy and HBA under Pardew. And I sigh even more that Rafa, a world-class manager, a world-class coach, an astute scout, with more number 1 hits in the transfer market than flops, was never allowed, in fact was actually and purposely prevented, from the one and only thing that value for money, money well spent, money not wasted, can only be measured by and that’s out on the pitch in what the team does, how it plays, performs and just how well they are doing or not and under Rafa we were doing fucking great, Championship Champions, top ten, 13th, constantly improving.

 

I see no improvement whatsoever under Bruce in any area and not one player has improved. The only two to have consistently looked good are the ‘keeper and our little Mexican friend, but they haven’t improved their game, they are just performing well enough the most every week. But not where they are playing at the top of their game at max levels.

 

Longstaff senior has regressed massively, if he was breaking through now I’d think more Colback level than Carrick.

 

Shelvey hasn’t improved, don’t let a few goals fool you. The defence hasn’t improved. The attack hasn’t, possession. Don’t let a few extra points more at this point if the season than at the same point last season fool you either. I’ve watched enough of us now this last few months under Bruce and I’m starting to believe we play worse now collectively on and off the ball than we did at our worse under Pardew or Carver and the worrying thing is, this is Bruce apparently doing a good job, a much better job than Rafa lots of idiots would have everyone believing.

 

It’s only going to get worse and messy again.

 

If I’m Longstaff, both boys, I’d not be signing any new deals. I’d want the fuck away. If I’m Joelinton shit or not I’d be looking for ways out and put it all down to a mistake. If I’m Dubravka and Miggy I’d be thinking fucking hell, I perfom week in week out and for what? If I’m a Carroll though I’d be happy just to be here getting paid to cheerlead the crowd, Shelvey to play and not to prove anything every week or Ritchie who as long as I give 100% what more can be expected of me.

 

And if I’m Bruce I’m well, just happy to have a job managing in the Premier League. If I’m Ashley I’m happy happy happy with 17th. If I’m a supporter though?

 

How on earth can anyone be happy watching this shit I do not know.

 

This that are have no real right to complain really and those that snapped up free season tickets, kudos on valuing your own club even less than Ashley does, zero. That’s the current value for money watching NUFC now represents. Only if the owner pays you to go. And yet it’s your team, your club, that will eventually pay for it the most and suffer the real costs.

 

Sorry, but if your club truly meant something to you, you’d never be happy with this imposter of a NUFC.

 

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The strength with Rafa in the transfer market even when he does buy duds, is he’s excellent at improving even poor players’ games and I’d trust Rafa all the way with money buying players. Barry replacing Xabi would have been a downgrade of course, but wouldn’t have weakened Liverpool much if it all. Again Barry was underrated IMO and Rafa would have helped his game a lot. He transformed Gerrard and Torres isn’t world-class players, Bellamy and Carragher’s games come on massively under Rafa and so did Crouch.

 

Another strength with Rafa is he buys players for the right reasons, players identified to add to the team be it positionally, for extra depth or to develop into better players or players signed to improve the first-team in bigger ways. The more money he has to spend, the level of his success with a player and indeed their own grows massively as he’s proved and rarely has he signed a player and that player turned out to be a waste of money.

 

 

Every signing he made for Newcastle even dross like Joselu, gave just about enough to be considered good value. The total opposite of how the club’s own signings often end up working out and even the players that do work out individually, it’s never ever for the good of the team itself or about that.

 

There is no point signing the likes of Cabaye or HBA for a team managed by Pardew. Conversely there  is no point spending 2m on Kraft for a team managed by Bruce. Every signing in terms of what value or not they represent all amounts to the sum total of fuck all when the only value of NUFC as a team is keeping its status of a Premier League team, nothing more.

 

With what Rafa had to spend, I don’t think he could have bought anyone else than he did and achieved what he did or achieved more. He might be used to winning trophies and managing big ambitious clubs and coaching top players, but what he achieved here for me stood out as a job he not only overachieved, but succeeded where no-one other than him would have.

 

Bruce May keep us up this season, but he will take us down eventually and along the way the actual team itself, will suffer the most as good players become not so good players, promising players don’t become better players and players that do good get sold or agitate for a move.

 

Rinse and repeat. Under Rafa I sighed watching Joselu, but give me that over sighing watching the likes of Cabaye, Ba, Remy and HBA under Pardew. And I sigh even more that Rafa, a world-class manager, a world-class coach, an astute scout, with more number 1 hits in the transfer market than flops, was never allowed, in fact was actually and purposely prevented, from the one and only thing that value for money, money well spent, money not wasted, can only be measured by and that’s out on the pitch in what the team does, how it plays, performs and just how well they are doing or not and under Rafa we were doing fucking great, Championship Champions, top ten, 13th, constantly improving.

 

I see no improvement whatsoever under Bruce in any area and not one player has improved. The only two to have consistently looked good are the ‘keeper and our little Mexican friend, but they haven’t improved their game, they are just performing well enough the most every week. But not where they are playing at the top of their game at max levels.

 

Longstaff senior has regressed massively, if he was breaking through now I’d think more Colback level than Carrick.

 

Shelvey hasn’t improved, don’t let a few goals fool you. The defence hasn’t improved. The attack hasn’t, possession. Don’t let a few extra points more at this point if the season than at the same point last season fool you either. I’ve watched enough of us now this last few months under Bruce and I’m starting to believe we play worse now collectively on and off the ball than we did at our worse under Pardew or Carver and the worrying thing is, this is Bruce apparently doing a good job, a much better job than Rafa lots of idiots would have everyone believing.

 

It’s only going to get worse and messy again.

 

If I’m Longstaff, both boys, I’d not be signing any new deals. I’d want the fuck away. If I’m Joelinton shit or not I’d be looking for ways out and put it all down to a mistake. If I’m Dubravka and Miggy I’d be thinking fucking hell, I perfom week in week out and for what? If I’m a Carroll though I’d be happy just to be here getting paid to cheerlead the crowd, Shelvey to play and not to prove anything every week or Ritchie who as long as I give 100% what more can be expected of me.

 

And if I’m Bruce I’m well, just happy to have a job managing in the Premier League. If I’m Ashley I’m happy happy happy with 17th. If I’m a supporter though?

 

How on earth can anyone be happy watching this shit I do not know.

 

This that are have no real right to complain really and those that snapped up free season tickets, kudos on valuing your own club even less than Ashley does, zero. That’s the current value for money watching NUFC now represents. Only if the owner pays you to go. And yet it’s your team, your club, that will eventually pay for it the most and suffer the real costs.

 

Sorry, but if your club truly meant something to you, you’d never be happy with this imposter of a NUFC.

 

 

That’s a great post HTT, especially the second part.

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Totally agree with that, Rafa's transfers record was a lot like Bobby's it always amazed me that Bobby made so many amazing signings for a bloke that was supposedly out of touch with modern football

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