kingxlnc Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Mikky said: I think Ugarte and Gabri Veiga are my 2 preferred signings for midfield this summer Yes but being greedy would also want a Milonkevic-Savic too. No chance of getting 3 CMs though. Just conscious of filling the middle with youngsters, need a blend of world class experience too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: Yes but being greedy would also want a Milonkevic-Savic too. No chance of getting 3 CMs though. Just conscious of filling the middle with youngsters, need a blend of world class experience too. No I think 2 is enough - otherwise you deviate from the style that got you to where you are We have Bruno Joelinton Willock Longstaff Add Veiga? Ugarte? Plus Anderson (not loaning him out) thats enough - can play 4231 - 433 - 442 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Mikky said: I think Ugarte and Gabri Veiga are my 2 preferred signings for midfield this summer I agree Ugarte maybe young but he’s cut it in European competition this season. I’ve gone off the idea of Maddison in recent weeks though he’s undoubtedly a great player. I think his injury record and the way we play with such high intensity just isn’t suited to him. Much better value on the continent and the summer gives us time to bed them in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, KaKa said: If we make the Champions League how do you lot see our midfield three going into next season? I think I'd like to see Joelinton, Bruno and a new top central midfielder in the main first 11. With Willock, Longstaff and a new younger Bruno alternative as the rotational guys. Thoughts? The 2 mentioned plus one of Ugarte, Kone or Thuram for me. Depending on which one will determine how we utilise Bruno. Edited April 10, 2023 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 4 hours ago, McCormick said: There’s a premium on PL players because there’s less risk associated. Buying a high-performing player (at the right age) from your own league almost guarantees the success of that transfer. Not to mention the bedding in period needed for players from other leagues. A good transfer policy should have a mix of both PL and other league transfer targets. I would say though, you’re getting less value from the continent these days too. Nunez, Antony and Scammaca went for 80, 80 and 35m respectively so it’s not as cut and dry as you’re making out. I agree, what we have done so far is a great balance, a base of premier league proven players with high end talent added from abroad. Obviously it’s just rumours but the links at the minute with premier league players aren’t inspiring with players like Mctominay and Billing linked who are average at best. IMO initially getting proven premier league players was needed as we needed as we needed to build a base but now we have that base I think there is definitely more value in looking abroad and even taking risks from the South American leagues. Regarding the cost of those players 35m isn’t really much for a CF these days and if Scammaca comes good in the future it will look like a steal. On the other 2 the first Nunez doesn’t look great when you compare to Man City getting Haaland and us getting Isak but you have to remember Haaland had a release clause and we only got Isak at that price because he had a down year last season. He was always going to be a raw prospect but he has high end attributes and if he improves his finishing he will end up being good value. He’s been said to be poor but he’s still got 14 goals in 35 games this year. The Antony one I always thought was a reach as he is decent but is a bit one dimensional and think that one was more a case of them having their eyes out as that is who bald Klopp wanted. Even then though he was a young Brazilian international who’d played in the champions league, it wasn’t like it was taking a punt on a nobody. You are right it isn’t cut and dry though and there will always be exceptions to the rule. For example we got Pope and Trippier for sweetheart deals really and they are huge for us. There will always be prem proven players who don’t measure up, there will always be players from abroad who get overpriced. I just feel on average there is better value to be had looking abroad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 hours ago, KaKa said: If we make the Champions League how do you lot see our midfield three going into next season? I think I'd like to see Joelinton, Bruno and a new top central midfielder in the main first 11. With Willock, Longstaff and a new younger Bruno alternative as the rotational guys. Thoughts? I think you have it nailed even though Willocks recent form puts a lot of pressure on Joelinton. The way I see it our midfield need the following: First a physical monster who can dominate games and run teams ragged which IMO we have 2 great candidates for this in the 2 Joes. Secondly we need a press resistant 6 who can dictate the game from deep but has the physicality and defensive nous to stop us getting countered. Bruno is amazing at this and there aren’t many players who have the skill set so IMO that will be our big challenge to find someone like that. Rice is the dream but I’d like Ugarte as well. Our 3rd player is where I think we can improve most, Longstaff does a great job and his workrate is invaluable and I could still see him getting game time in games we need to be more solid but we need more creativity wise from that position especially to break down deep blocks. I’d be a bit wary of putting someone like Maddison who’s more naturally a 10 back there as I worry it could upset our balance so we need to find someone with a CM’s physicality but a 10’s creativity. Bruno is the obvious answer to that one but then for me that means we’d be looking for 2 to play that middle role and finding one is hard enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 I think a good summer for me would look something like this. CB Maxence Lacroix CM Ugarte/Thuram/Kone Forward Diaby/Pedro LB Ait Nouri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 just watched thisis on ugarte. Not too much that hasn’t already been discussed but I was unaware how good his fitness record has been over the years. His only time mixing games has been vivid or with an arm injury which you would imagine would not be a recurring problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Usually I don't care for nationality stereotypes in football but a Uruguayan DM is 100% what we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Ugarte looks fantastic, but he has a £53m buyout clause and interest from Spurs. If Saints go down, Romeo Lavia might be a cheaper option as would Thuram or Kone. We have three very good and obvious options at DM, and I would guess another one or two we haven't even heard about yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, rebelrouser said: Ugarte looks fantastic, but he has a £53m buyout clause and interest from Spurs. If Saints go down, Romeo Lavia might be a cheaper option as would Thuram or Kone. We have three very good and obvious options at DM, and I would guess another one or two we haven't even heard about yet. Not specifically re this , but why is it people on a regular basis state, we could go for him or him etc only for a few on here to put a downer on speculation, such as City, Spurs , Liverpool or Man Ure are interested in them, are we that inferior or are we too far North as has happened with other potential signings?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, wyn davies said: Not specifically re this , but why is it people on a regular basis state, we could go for him or him etc only for a few on here to put a downer on speculation, such as City, Spurs , Liverpool or Man Ure are interested in them, are we that inferior or are we too far North as has happened with other potential signings?. Snowflakes, innit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 21 hours ago, Ace said: Would anyone consider going for Firmino? On a free, loads of experience, grafter and still has ability. He is physically done. He is getting injuries constantly, and his pressing and running stats are significantly lower than in previous seasons. A unique player in his prime, but any premier league club taking him on is a considerable risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, wyn davies said: Not specifically re this , but why is it people on a regular basis state, we could go for him or him etc only for a few on here to put a downer on speculation, such as City, Spurs , Liverpool or Man Ure are interested in them, are we that inferior or are we too far North as has happened with other potential signings?. Because interest from Spurs could force us to pay his release clause, which could affect how much we can spend on others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, rebelrouser said: Ugarte looks fantastic, but he has a £53m buyout clause and interest from Spurs. If Saints go down, Romeo Lavia might be a cheaper option as would Thuram or Kone. We have three very good and obvious options at DM, and I would guess another one or two we haven't even heard about yet. Ugarte is a pure number 6 whereas Kone and Thuram are more number 8s imo Both could be options don’t get me wrong - but I think we need a full time 6 just to give us a differing option within the squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 (edited) Problem with Lavia is that Man City have a buyback clause which they may exercise if they deem us a rival Edited April 10, 2023 by joeyt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, joeyt said: Problem with Lavia is that Man City have a buyback clause which they may exercise if they deem us a rival Comes into play in 24/25 though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 56 minutes ago, wyn davies said: Not specifically re this , but why is it people on a regular basis state, we could go for him or him etc only for a few on here to put a downer on speculation, such as City, Spurs , Liverpool or Man Ure are interested in them, are we that inferior or are we too far North as has happened with other potential signings?. Wage structure of a 25 man squad in a nutshell. Teams you mention have a much higher sliding scale. Our top earners at £125kpw are on less than some of their squad players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 hours ago, rebelrouser said: Because interest from Spurs could force us to pay his release clause, which could affect how much we can spend on others. The suggestions are that if we finish in the Champions League and maybe even just European places in general, that we are willing to pay that release clause for him. At just 21 years of age and already at the level he is at, that outlay will likely be considered justifiable. Sporting had been trying to get him to sign a new contract to take out the clause, but his reps have made it clear he isn't going to do that due to the interest in him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Maatsen at Burnley looks decent, on loan from Chelsea, maybe an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Leroy Sane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: Leroy Sane Reportedly on £273k p/w. Which may be a tad above our current structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Leroy Sane man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Claudio Echeverrí - new Argentine wonderkid just dropped. On 10/04/2023 at 21:01, SUPERTOON said: Maatsen at Burnley looks decent, on loan from Chelsea, maybe an option. Aye, he’s looked good whenever I’ve seen them this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 Nice to see Liverpool stepping aside to allow us to go in for Bellingham. /yeahtotallyrealistic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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