SUPERTOON Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 15 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: 'Like a new signing' Sure but will we get some ACTUAL new signings soon... 😆 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 Bromley at home seems like a logical first full start? Can’t see him being played before giving the intensity those games will have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 You’re our only hope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 We always seem to be waiting for someone to come back, then it'll change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 If we can get this handsome bugger back playing well then, if we do have any money to spend in Jan, perhaps we can put it towards a RW/playmaker type, instead of an overpriced Marc hates-the-Guehis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelinton7 Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 Wonder who will be sacrificed. Guessing Hall does his ACL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 (edited) My expectations are low as I hope most should be for his level of performance when he returns. I know with hindsight now he was likely still struggling with something wrong in his knee last season, but when he returned from that first 3 months out he was awful. Painfully slow, making mistakes etc. He claimed at the time his knee was fine during that spell but I'd like to think he was covering playing through a problem. If he does eventually return to the player we had in 22/23 then he has a massive impact. I truly believe that part of why we don't press so aggressively now is because Burn can't do what Botman does. Botman used to press super aggressive and steal the ball high. Burn can't do that or when he tries he doesn't get there and gets exposed. Likewise now with an aging Schar who is a yard slower aswell now and we keep seeing going sliding in to tackles and missing them because his body can't do the thinks his head things it still can. So I feel we consciously try not to expose the back 4. Although somehow we still look easy to play through, so clearly this hesitation to press isn't working. A fit healthy Botman will impact the whole team positively 🤞 Edited December 10 by alexf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 Be like a new sighing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 7 hours ago, alexf said: My expectations are low as I hope most should be for his level of performance when he returns. I know with hindsight now he was likely still struggling with something wrong in his knee last season, but when he returned from that first 3 months out he was awful. Painfully slow, making mistakes etc. He claimed at the time his knee was fine during that spell but I'd like to think he was covering playing through a problem. If he does eventually return to the player we had in 22/23 then he has a massive impact. I truly believe that part of why we don't press so aggressively now is because Burn can't do what Botman does. Botman used to press super aggressive and steal the ball high. Burn can't do that or when he tries he doesn't get there and gets exposed. Likewise now with an aging Schar who is a yard slower aswell now and we keep seeing going sliding in to tackles and missing them because his body can't do the thinks his head things it still can. So I feel we consciously try not to expose the back 4. Although somehow we still look easy to play through, so clearly this hesitation to press isn't working. A fit healthy Botman will impact the whole team positively 🤞 He clearly was playing through a problem. It was the same knee that was operated on. There was conflicting advice about whether he could rehab and not need the op or if the operation was required straight away. They went with the former. He came back and looked miles off it. Then ended up having to go under the knife, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said: He clearly was playing through a problem. It was the same knee that was operated on. There was conflicting advice about whether he could rehab and not need the op or if the operation was required straight away. They went with the former. He came back and looked miles off it. Then ended up having to go under the knife, anyway. Agree with you. Just saying at the time all the sound bites coming out of him and the club were that his knee was fully recovered and he was 100%. But to the eye he was clearly a shadow of what he was previously and then with the reoccurrence in that arsenal game I think it was proof his knee was never right. Felt like a shit show from the medical team at the time and still does now to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 I hope this doesn't mean Hall loses his spot so Burn can go back to the left, that would be mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 (edited) 44 minutes ago, alexf said: Agree with you. Just saying at the time all the sound bites coming out of him and the club were that his knee was fully recovered and he was 100%. But to the eye he was clearly a shadow of what he was previously and then with the reoccurrence in that arsenal game I think it was proof his knee was never right. Felt like a shit show from the medical team at the time and still does now to be honest. He started the season well. Then looked nothing like he did previously when he returned at the beginning of the year, last Christmas or whenever it was. I doubt the club would come out with "dropped a massive bollock here. He's not right and will need an op to sort it out. We should have done that in the first place." not that I listen to much from the club or players. Howe is notorious for his lies to the press or straight batting everything. Edited December 10 by Lush Vlad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 59 minutes ago, alexf said: Agree with you. Just saying at the time all the sound bites coming out of him and the club were that his knee was fully recovered and he was 100%. But to the eye he was clearly a shadow of what he was previously and then with the reoccurrence in that arsenal game I think it was proof his knee was never right. Felt like a shit show from the medical team at the time and still does now to be honest. I think it transpired that the medical team were advising that he get the surgery done, but Botman himself was adamant that he felt OK and he could play through it, with the ‘expert’ opinions that were sought being split on whether doing so would result in it going completely. In hindsight it was obviously a massive error to let Botman get his own way, but having said that, effectively forcing a player to have surgery when they feel they don’t need it is probably easier said than done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 1 hour ago, mighty__mag said: I hope this doesn't mean Hall loses his spot so Burn can go back to the left, that would be mental. Can’t see that at all, Hall has been class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 50 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Can’t see that at all, Hall has been class. We think that, but Burn always seems to be untouchable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 I think Hall offers so much with his progressive passing, especially in contrast to Tino that I think having 2 non ball playing FBs would be awful unless we changed the way we’ve been playing ,completely abandoning the horse shoe build up and somehow found away to always play through the middle. Introducing all those stylistic changes with just adding one player is some makeover so I don’t expect it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 Where is the Chelsea U-21 game going to be held? might attend to watch his return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 5 minutes ago, Newcastle Fan said: Where is the Chelsea U-21 game going to be held? might attend to watch his return. Whitley Park Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 Great to have him back but we should be realistic about expectations. Took VVD a full season almost to regain the form he showed in previous seasons and he's still not quite at that level. Botman has youth on his side more so but give him time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 11 hours ago, Lotus said: I think Hall offers so much with his progressive passing, especially in contrast to Tino that I think having 2 non ball playing FBs would be awful unless we changed the way we’ve been playing ,completely abandoning the horse shoe build up and somehow found away to always play through the middle. Introducing all those stylistic changes with just adding one player is some makeover so I don’t expect it. Agreed. Howe loves Burn, Botman & Schar but one will have to sit it out. Honestly, I expect Botman to sit on the bench and get minutes from there (probably for Hall) for a while—well into February—before eventually replacing a CB. I assume it will be Burn, but Schar hasn't covered himself in glory recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted Friday at 08:26 Share Posted Friday at 08:26 Guy’s a colossus! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Butcher Posted Friday at 11:50 Share Posted Friday at 11:50 Now they're taking medical advice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted Friday at 11:53 Share Posted Friday at 11:53 3 minutes ago, The Butcher said: Now they're taking medical advice They did first time round, but the advice was conflicting between surgery and rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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