Sven Botman: targeting January return (Howe)

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Milanista said:

Good point, I forgot that the English press is renown for their restraint, understated headlines, and that English pundits are notorious for their appreciation of foreign players and foreign leagues.

Don’t worry, we hate the English press too. 

[RodneyCisse]

Heard he gives Tyson Gay a run for his money…

[AyeDubbleYoo]

6 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

We can all agree that Fabian Schar is pretty canny, aye?

 

https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&comp_type=by_type&dom_lg=1&spec_comps=big_5&player_id1=ccce7025&p1yrfrom=2021-2022&player_id2=c8aa95da&p2yrfrom=2021-2022

 

 

Botman v Schar last season 

 

 / played the exact number of games

 

/ Botman's passing stats blow wor Fab's out the water: 89.1% completion compared to 71.2%. Specifically long passes, it's 77.7% to Fab's 51.3%.

 

/ the vast, vast majority of Botman's passes are on the ground. Fab's is significantly more split, with far more high passes. 

 

 / Botman attempted and won more tackles, attempted and won more presses and made more blocks. Schar made more interceptions and is better at challenging against dribbles, though. 

 

 / Botman scored more goals (3-2), made far fewer fouls (19-33) and won far more aerial duels (73%-51%).

 

 / Fab beats Bots on dribbles; 61% compared to 50%, and has more touches further forward

 

 / they both got booked four times.

 

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Well this is sexy. 

[The College Dropout]

£40m for a CB that can't run. Ok.

[The Prophet]

I wonder if we've gone for a keeper who's happy to come off his line due to the lack of recovery pace in the backline.

[LionOfGosforth]

10 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

We can all agree that Fabian Schar is pretty canny, aye?

 

https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&comp_type=by_type&dom_lg=1&spec_comps=big_5&player_id1=ccce7025&p1yrfrom=2021-2022&player_id2=c8aa95da&p2yrfrom=2021-2022

 

 

Botman v Schar last season 

 

 / played the exact number of games

 

/ Botman's passing stats blow wor Fab's out the water: 89.1% completion compared to 71.2%. Specifically long passes, it's 77.7% to Fab's 51.3%.

 

/ the vast, vast majority of Botman's passes are on the ground. Fab's is significantly more split, with far more high passes. 

 

 / Botman attempted and won more tackles, attempted and won more presses and made more blocks. Schar made more interceptions and is better at challenging against dribbles, though. 

 

 / Botman scored more goals (3-2), made far fewer fouls (19-33) and won far more aerial duels (73%-51%).

 

 / Fab beats Bots on dribbles; 61% compared to 50%, and has more touches further forward

 

 / they both got booked four times.

 

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As alluded to by @Milanista, we're going down the data-driven route like RB Leipzig, Liverpool and one or two others, rather than the flash-the-cash PSG/Chelsea route. I think it's great, this guy, rumoured lack of pace aside, could be a mainstay of our backline for a decade.

[Skeletor]

Fucking finally.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

As alluded to by @Milanista, we're going down the data-driven route like RB Leipzig, Liverpool and one or two others, rather than the flash-the-cash PSG/Chelsea route. I think it's great, this guy, rumoured lack of pace aside, could be a mainstay of our backline for a decade.

Wasn’t one of our first signings one of Liverpool’s data gadgies?

[LionOfGosforth]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Wasn’t one of our first signings one of Liverpool’s data gadgies?

 

Think you're right, Mark Leyland might be his name?

 

Edit - googled it and his name is indeed Mark Leyland, no idea where I plucked that from like

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by LionOfGosforth

[AyeDubbleYoo]

35 minutes ago, Big River said:

 

 collar outside the suit jacket. lads a fashion pioneer as well as a youtube one! legend.

TBH I quite like him now, he’s growing into the role

 

Absolutely, there’s no real value in what he puts out, but you have to admire the lad. 

[Shearergol]

15 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

£40m for a CB that can't run. Ok.

Dude, I think I speak on behalf of the forum…

 

nah, you’re not worth it 

[junkhead]

https://fbref.com/tiny/j4rSQ

 

Here's a comparison with Aguerd, Kimpembe and Badiashile - similar (top) ball playing defenders from Ligue 1 - plus Schar and Burn for the last two seasons. Of course it's not a very valid comparison with our CBs as it's a different league.. 

 

Botman seems an aggressive "fighter" CB who excels in duels - he's leading the tackling, heading and blocking stats but also has very decent passing and ball carrying stats. He's not as elegant on the eye as the other 3 players, but he seems remarkably composed with the ball at his feet for his physique.. and age - at 22 years, £30 million seems like a decent deal for a player of that calibre. 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by junkhead

[LionOfGosforth]

24 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Christ, the defenders Milan had from the late ‘80s to late ‘90s (and on tbf).

 

Tassotti, Baresi, Costacurta, Maldini is surely the greatest back line in football history - Tassotti and Costacurta were superb players, and Baresi and Maldini will always be in ‘greatest defenders ever’ conversations.  To think they had the likes of Panucci and Galli as back-ups in the side that won the 1994 European Cup - Jesus wept.  I can’t separate them from Barcelona’s late ‘00s-early ‘10s side as the greatest club teams in history.

 

Incredible side. Always loved Savicevic in that 94 team. They ran Barcelona ragged in the EC Final. Hard to believe thinking back that a bit earlier they also had Rikaard, Gullit and Van Basten as well. Christ almighty.

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by LionOfGosforth

[The Prophet]

25 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Christ, the defenders Milan had from the late ‘80s to late ‘90s (and on tbf).

 

Tassotti, Baresi, Costacurta, Maldini is surely the greatest back line in football history - Tassotti and Costacurta were superb players, and Baresi and Maldini will always be in ‘greatest defenders ever’ conversations.  To think they had the likes of Panucci and Galli as back-ups in the side that won the 1994 European Cup - Jesus wept.  I can’t separate them from Barcelona’s late ‘00s-early ‘10s side as the greatest club teams in history.

 

They then followed that up with Cafe-Nesta-Stam-Maldini. Obscebe.

[RodneyCisse]

Did I just see a video of a drunk XXS man confining Botman?

[RS]

Had trials for Burnley in 2016 marra

[elbee909]

5 minutes ago, RodneyCisse said:

Did I just see a video of a drunk XXS man confining Botman?

 

Are we imprisoning him now?

[duo]

 

[TRC]

I've checked out some highlights he doesn't seem to lack pace, probably fairly average but his reading of the game seems elite.

[elbee909]

Now to release the Woodgate clone from cryo-storage and we're done at the back.

[PauloGeordio]

Some sexy threaded passing too! 

[1892er]

If Howe can get a tune out of Shelvey the snail, I've got no concerns about him coaching a young talented international defender.

[Coffee_Johnny]

Canny (an alternative understated appreciation!). 
Loved the number of right footed tackles shown and the through balls. Not sure about the long passes being  a weakness; doubt comes not from the clips but from the comparisons with Schar’s stats earlier. 

[Happinesstan]

Any lack of pace is more than compensated for by the time it takes to get around him.

He's 6'5" and still looks huge.

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Happinesstan

[Mountain]

16 minutes ago, elbee909 said:

Now to release the Woodgate clone from cryo-storage and we're done at the back.

 

The clone was released on Wednesday but is already injured apparently, they should have edited that gene.