duo Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Think he’s been 7/10 overall since he’s come back from the ACL. Not as good as the other CBs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 24 minutes ago, duo said: Which CB has he been better than since his return? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 12 hours ago, Rod said: The past 18 months he's been nothing short of awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Which CB has he been better than since his return? As a pairing - him and Thiaw are our best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 There’s no way he’s been better than Burn at CB in recent times in terms of all-round game, passing out from the back he’s clear though. There’s very little between him and Fab, but until Botman puts a run of games together or stays fit for any sort of prolonged period there’s no argument between the two. I’ve said it before, but he’s been available for fewer matches than Woodgate was for us in his time here on average, which is absurd when you think about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Nothing short of awful is absolute exaggeration The beginning of the season he was chasing shadows. Awful he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 15 hours ago, Dokko said: Was brilliant, a while ago. Big 6 months for him, sure his contract ends in 18m as well. Don’t have any reason to think he’s got worse IMO. He’s been injured, that’s it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Rich said: There’s no way he’s been better than Burn at CB in recent times in terms of all-round game, passing out from the back he’s clear though. There’s very little between him and Fab, but until Botman puts a run of games together or stays fit for any sort of prolonged period there’s no argument between the two. I’ve said it before, but he’s been available for fewer matches than Woodgate was for us in his time here on average, which is absurd when you think about it. Obviously but availability isn’t the same as quality. He hasn’t done enough, but why is that? Because he’s been injured, simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 He’s not really been near the levels of his first season aside from a few games, let’s be honest. He gets an insane amount of leeway on here compared to others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I though him and Thiaw looked really good at the start of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Everyone gets leeway from me, you should know that It just winds me up how much blame people attach to players who are injured. He’s the same player he was before unless proven otherwise for me, which was absolutely class. Maybe it’s because people love Burn so much, which is understandable. Edited January 4 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Just now, Rich said: He’s not really been near the levels of his first season aside from a few games, let’s be honest. He gets an insane amount of leeway on here compared to others. I'd argue the same about Schar. I know we can all be guilty of hyperbole on here, but he had some absolute stinkers last season. Same for Botman this term I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Everyone gets leeway from me, you should know that It just winds me up how much blame people attach to players who are injured. He’s the same player he was before unless proven otherwise for me, which was absolutely class. We can’t afford to carry crocks, which is what he is, no matter how good they are on the rare occasions they’re able to play game after game. He won’t be hard to replace with someone more reliable and of similar quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: I'd argue the same about Schar. I know we can all be guilty of hyperbole on here, but he had some absolute stinkers last season. Same for Botman this term I guess. Schar’s definitely on the decline, but he’s almost always fit and available. There’s still a strong argument that him and Burn is our best overall partnership based on results, clean sheets, etc. Putting aside individual quality. Thiaw’s obviously been head and shoulders above the others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rich said: We can’t afford to carry crocks, which is what he is, no matter how good they are on the rare occasions they’re able to play game after game. He won’t be hard to replace with someone more reliable and of similar quality. I don’t believe that at all given he’s the best CB we’ve signed for years. But obvs if we can, great. I don’t believe in the concept of a crock really, unless proven over a very long time. I would definitely give him a lot more time given how high his level of quality is. His contract makes it a bit more tricky though, I admit. Edited January 4 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Thiaw has already been better than Botman at his peak, for me, although it’s early days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Everyone gets leeway from me, you should know that It just winds me up how much blame people attach to players who are injured. He’s the same player he was before unless proven otherwise for me, which was absolutely class. Maybe it’s because people love Burn so much, which is understandable. Except since the knee injuries. He has rarely looked like the player he was before. You honestly think he doesn’t look less agile and slower? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 24 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Don’t have any reason to think he’s got worse IMO. He’s been injured, that’s it. He had a career threatening injury and hasn't reached the heights he was at before, then picking up another problematic injury on return. It's more than just he's been injured. He's a long way off his best, we might not even see it due to his contract situation and deciding to cash in the summer. BTW I hope not. I'd be trying to nail him down now using his injury status as leeway and play on loyalty. Could go either way for us, so we're taking a risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Pre injury he was our best CB Post injury he doesn't touch Burn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, duo said: As a pairing - him and Thiaw are our best. I don’t agree. The results and clean sheets would suggest otherwise. 31 minutes ago, Rich said: Schar’s definitely on the decline, but he’s almost always fit and available. There’s still a strong argument that him and Burn is our best overall partnership based on results, clean sheets, etc. Putting aside individual quality. Thiaw’s obviously been head and shoulders above the others. Agree with this. If everyone was fully fit and we had a cup final tomorow I would personally start Schar and Burn. It’s certified. As good as Thiaw has been individually he has not been part of a solid back 5 consistently. With the injuries we have he’ll have the opportunity to prove himself. Atm I think Schar and Burn have certain leadership, character, determination traits as a partnership that makes them our best pair. Botman definitely hasn’t been better than Burn. Burn has been a rock for the last 18 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 18 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I don’t agree. The results and clean sheets would suggest otherwise. Agree with this. If everyone was fully fit and we had a cup final tomorow I would personally start Schar and Burn. It’s certified. As good as Thiaw has been individually he has not been part of a solid back 5 consistently. With the injuries we have he’ll have the opportunity to prove himself. Atm I think Schar and Burn have certain leadership, character, determination traits as a partnership that makes them our best pair. Botman definitely hasn’t been better than Burn. Burn has been a rock for the last 18 months. We've only kept 2 clean sheets in the league with Thiaw starting.. Bournemouth and Forest away. Against Bournemoth we were playing 5 at the back (Burn, Thiaw, Botman), and vs Forest he was paired with Botman (with Burn at Trippier at fullback). Forest were even worse at the time than what they are now. Not saying it's Thiaws fault, but our defence hasn't looked rock solid as a unit in a good while. Edited January 4 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Bit rusty isn't he? 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 13 minutes ago, La Parka said: Bit rusty isn't he? 😂 Awful game to come back on cold tbf. Ideally you save them but we probably need to play Thiaw and Botman in the cup now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 He looked canny pity he is so unfit he was like ecco the dolphin gasping for air after five minutes. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 He looks like his legs aren't working, but to come back from an injury in freezing conditions must not be easy. Very happy we at least have him and Thiaw to start the next game rather than being desperate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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