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Just now, andycap said:

Just fitness probably thought he was running in treacle after five minutes. 

Got the assist for Barnes goal

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I do think howe will have to use Alex Murphy sometime like. He seems very reluctant to do so. If botman isn't fully fit he can't expected to play 90 minutes next game. 

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Just now, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

An incredible tackle to intercept the ball about 2 yards from our goal in the second half. 

 

Was that the one Pope jumped on?  If so, it was Schar.  

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Just now, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

Stopped a certain tap in? Thought it was after Schar had gone off but may be mistaken. 

 

Calvert-Lewin and a cross/pass along the deck from their left hand side?  If so, it was Schar. 

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Don't think hes a good fit for our playstyle. He has his qualities, but with the chaotic way we play, his lack of athleticism is going to get exposed regularly. And I felt this way pre-injury, its only gotten worse since.

 

Think hes a good CB, but I think we need a different profile long term personally.

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5 hours ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

[emoji38] considering I was about 20 yards away that’s a worry. 

 

Absolutely buried the penalty though to be fair to him, weaker foot as well

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Yeah backed off and allowed space way to much. One of which was the 3rd goal for them.

 

But he will be rusty as hell at the moment so benefit of the doubt. Just hope he can get up to speed quickly and stay fit. 

 

Why is it always one in and one out for us with injuries or feels like every time.

 

Remember it was always that way with Isak and Wilson if one came back the other got injured. 

 

Maybe it's because we keep hold of too many injury prone players [emoji38]

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44 minutes ago, Palestoon said:

Don't think hes a good fit for our playstyle. He has his qualities, but with the chaotic way we play, his lack of athleticism is going to get exposed regularly. And I felt this way pre-injury, its only gotten worse since.

 

Think hes a good CB, but I think we need a different profile long term personally.

 

Objectively this is horse scrotum. During 22/23, we were the best high pressing team in the league. 

 

Our defense was superb, with Botman's reading of the game and passing range a key reason we could play so high up the pitch. The defensive line was aggressive and kept us compact.

 

Would playing next to someone with recovery pace help him? Sure, but his lack of athleticism was never an issue.

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24 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Objectively this is horse scrotum. During 22/23, we were the best high pressing team in the league. 

 

Our defense was superb, with Botman's reading of the game and passing range a key reason we could play so high up the pitch. The defensive line was aggressive and kept us compact.

 

Would playing next to someone with recovery pace help him? Sure, but his lack of athleticism was never an issue.

I'm sure I've said this before but much of the season the midfield and how it's structured has been the biggest issue to me in terms of the defence. Well that and fullbacks missing for large chunks of the year. I rarely watched us and thought the CBs did a bad job, it happened on the odd occasion but all of them have mostly been good at a minimum.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Objectively this is horse scrotum. During 22/23, we were the best high pressing team in the league. 

 

Our defense was superb, with Botman's reading of the game and passing range a key reason we could play so high up the pitch. The defensive line was aggressive and kept us compact.

 

Would playing next to someone with recovery pace help him? Sure, but his lack of athleticism was never an issue.

 

If the plan is to go back to being a solid compact side defensively, sure. But the open chaotic nature does not suit him.

 

Hes a poor 1v1 defender in space. And the injuries aren't helping. Again. Dont think hes a poor player, just that their are better potential fits IMO

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22 minutes ago, Palestoon said:

 

If the plan is to go back to being a solid compact side defensively, sure. But the open chaotic nature does not suit him.

 

Hes a poor 1v1 defender in space. And the injuries aren't helping. Again. Dont think hes a poor player, just that their are better potential fits IMO

 

Is that not true of most centre backs though?

 

We've always been quite a chaotic, high energy side and he's thrived in that. But if a side is open and their back line is constantly exposed, the CBs are always liable to struggle.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Is that not true of most centre backs though?

 

We've always been quite a chaotic, high energy side and he's thrived in that. But if a side is open and their back line is constantly exposed, the CBs are always liable to struggle.

 

 

 


This is true and he was great in that 4th place season. I do think injuries have slowed him and he doesn’t look as good as he did before the various injuries. 

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10 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:


This is true and he was great in that 4th place season. I do think injuries have slowed him and he doesn’t look as good as he did before the various injuries. 

 

He certainly hasn't hit the heights that we know he can since his injury, but I'd disagree that he's a bad fit for the team.

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Just now, The Prophet said:

 

He certainly hasn't hit the heights that we know he can since his injury, but I'd disagree that he's a bad fit for the team.


Oh 100%. It’s what makes it all the more frustrating. He was THAT good in the 4th placed season. I just think he has been a good way off that since the knee injuries and has struggled to stay fit for a good while now. 
 

If we can get back to something like that season and he stays fit. Then he’ll be a major asset. 

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Think he’ll get some form back at some point. He’d look a lot better if we had a midfield that even moderately protected us against transitions. We’ve lost some connections/ shape there. Dunno why.

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