The Prophet Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 2 minutes ago, Menace said: All these injuries are just bad luck lads, not incompetence at all. Imagine if some injuries were bad luck and others were due to fatigue, along with potential mismanagement. You'd have like this weird middle ground where you wouldn't have to take an extreme opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 Serious investigation needed of our entire operational practice this season. What the absolute fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said: Was that before or after we misdiagnosed his injury and sent him back out to play with a damaged ACL and then made it a lot worse? I did mention in another post further back that I know they have far more data and knowledge than us. But that’s the same for every aspect of the club and it doesn’t stop fans voicing their concerns and opinions. He has comeback and clearly been feeling the effects of it and nowhere near right. Now he’s broken down again. I don’t think it’s just being smart after the event or in hindsight. It felt like at the time we handled it poorly, loads said as much and it’s been proven right to some degree. That all makes a nice theory but its not based on fact. There's absolutely no evidence that it's the same problem. If information does indeed surface that it's the same injury, fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 5 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: WE have managed the injury based on multiple 3rd party specialists advice. Not entirely sure what else people want. Well someone is to blame because it's been obvious for months that he's not been right. I don't have to have a medical or coaching badge to see that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 So that's Joelinton, Willock, Isak, Wilson, Botman and probably more, all have returned from injury clearly unfit for all to see and all have paid the price with a new injury. Fucking clowns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 Just now, STM said: That all makes a nice theory but its not based on fact. There's absolutely no evidence that it's the same problem. If information does indeed surface that it's the same injury, fine. What do you mean no evidence it’s the same problem ? Isn’t it an ACL, the exact same injury as earlier in the season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 Just now, et tu brute said: Well someone is to blame because it's been obvious for months that he's not been right. I don't have to have a medical or coaching badge to see that Why are people assuming that he hasn't looked right because of his knee? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: I’d definitely be stepping up any interest in Kelly from Bournemouth now. I think we were going to buy a CB in the summer anyway (as well as L Kelly) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 8 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: sadly your post will be ignored quickly enough It was ignored by the post straight after ??? N-O knee specialists out the woodwork. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said: Was that before or after we misdiagnosed his injury and sent him back out to play with a damaged ACL and then made it a lot worse? I did mention in another post further back that I know they have far more data and knowledge than us. But that’s the same for every aspect of the club and it doesn’t stop fans voicing their concerns and opinions. He has comeback and clearly been feeling the effects of it and nowhere near right. Now he’s broken down again. I don’t think it’s just being smart after the event or in hindsight. It felt like at the time we handled it poorly, loads said as much and it’s been proven right to some degree. Its not just a one off case though. Barnes being out an additional month. Anderson adding 2 months to his recovering Willock multiple setbacks Longstaff playing through injury when we have Miley who is more rested now. Wilson/Isak needing to rotate and then playing 90 minutes when we know they couldnt do it. Gordon being ruled out on the Friday playing the full 90 the next day. Murphy being ruled out, coming back for about 5 minutes. Burn breaking his back, and then being rushed back in when Livra was in form, he didnt break down but hasnt been the same since. I feel the evidence is fairly overwhelming? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said: Was that before or after we misdiagnosed his injury and sent him back out to play with a damaged ACL and then made it a lot worse? I did mention in another post further back that I know they have far more data and knowledge than us. But that’s the same for every aspect of the club and it doesn’t stop fans voicing their concerns and opinions. He has comeback and clearly been feeling the effects of it and nowhere near right. Now he’s broken down again. I don’t think it’s just being smart after the event or in hindsight. It felt like at the time we handled it poorly, loads said as much and it’s been proven right to some degree. I agree the initial misdiagnosis wasn't handled well, but everything since October last year has been handled by 3rd parties. He hadn't been "feeling the effects of it" at all... in fact the last time I saw him and his family a couple of weeks back (before the Wolves game), he was very happy with it. I think he has been suffering mentally from perhaps a lack of confidence in himself or in the injury, but in terms of actual pain / movement issues... absolutely none at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 Just now, STM said: Why are people assuming that he hasn't looked right because of his knee? Because he was class before the injury? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 2 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Was that before or after we misdiagnosed his injury and sent him back out to play with a damaged ACL and then made it a lot worse? I did mention in another post further back that I know they have far more data and knowledge than us. But that’s the same for every aspect of the club and it doesn’t stop fans voicing their concerns and opinions. He has comeback and clearly been feeling the effects of it and nowhere near right. Now he’s broken down again. I don’t think it’s just being smart after the event or in hindsight. It felt like at the time we handled it poorly, loads said as much and it’s been proven right to some degree. It is shambolic, Howe has also said he is playing Longstaff too with an injury. You have to wonder how many of these players are either being rushed back from injury or forced to play when they are not 100% fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 Just now, STM said: Why are people assuming that he hasn't looked right because of his knee? Why are you assuming it isn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 2 minutes ago, buzz said: Serious investigation needed of our entire operational practice this season. What the absolute fuck. Amateur hour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 He hasn't been playing well, but he seems to have been moving OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: What do you mean no evidence it’s the same problem ? Isn’t it an ACL, the exact same injury as earlier in the season? Same knee, fresh injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 Fuck it all to hell. Of course we're getting started on our absentee list for next season already. I look forward a Tonali ban extension to be announced next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 3 minutes ago, STM said: That all makes a nice theory but its not based on fact. There's absolutely no evidence that it's the same problem. If information does indeed surface that it's the same injury, fine. You think the knee functions the same when you’ve got a problem with one of the ligaments in it? I see Hope is saying it’s a different injury but the same knee. But it was his ACL the first time and it is his ACL again, no? How is that a new injury. You don’t think they’re linked in any way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 Imagine having the money to buy backup players to cover for all these injuries, but not being allowed to do so... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 Just now, et tu brute said: Why are you assuming it isn't Because I'm a glass half full kind of guy. I don't just jump on the negative bandwagon unless there is something specific to go at. He's been playing shite, that I accept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: I agree the initial misdiagnosis wasn't handled well, but everything since October last year has been handled by 3rd parties. He hadn't been "feeling the effects of it" at all... in fact the last time I saw him and his family a couple of weeks back (before the Wolves game), he was very happy with it. I think he has been suffering mentally from perhaps a lack of confidence in himself or in the injury, but in terms of actual pain / movement issues... absolutely none at all. Didn’t he come off with a knock in that knee with a view to resting it and miss a game? Not linked, I’m sure. Too many players breaking down again, being rushed back, testing injuries out etc. All a coincidence and bad luck, I’m sure. Edited March 20, 2024 by Lush Vlad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: He hasn't been playing well, but he seems to have been moving OK. He hasn't mind, he's never been the fastest, but he certainly had more pace than he has been showing since returning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 3 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Well someone is to blame because it's been obvious for months that he's not been right. I don't have to have a medical or coaching badge to see that Not been right mentally, yes. Physically, he's been feeling fine. See my other posts. I'm not going to say anything else about it because I don't want to abuse their trust... All I will say is, there's an awful lot of people on the internet who THINK they can see what's happened, but in reality they know fuck all about the facts of the injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 20, 2024 Share Posted March 20, 2024 1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said: You think the knee functions the same when you’ve got a problem with one of the ligaments in it? I see Hope is saying it’s a different injury but the same knee. But it was his ACL the first time and it is his ACL again, no? How is that a new injury. You don’t think they’re linked in any way? I'm not an ACL specialist. I see we have a few on here though. It may be a reoccurrence. There's just no evidence of that. It there's rumours of it being a reoccurrence, I haven't seen it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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