Diego Carlos

[Ikon]

Just now, elbee909 said:

 

So what's the takeaway? Never bother doing anything in case you waste time?

 

Who's said this?  All I'm saying is that judging by the look of it, it seems like it won't happen. Therefore it's annoying considering how much time we have put into it. Because the outcome isn't what we hoped for (assuming it's dead now).

 

It's not rocket science. Not sure what some of you are on about. 

[madras]

1 minute ago, Ikon said:

 

Who's said this?  All I'm saying is that judging by the look of it, it seems like it won't happen. Therefore it's annoying considering how much time we have put into it. Because the outcome isn't what we hoped for (assuming it's dead now).

 

It's not rocket science. Not sure what some of you are on about. 

Just think "waste of time" is poor terminology.

[Ikon]

6 minutes ago, madras said:

Just think "waste of time" is poor terminology.

 

 

Well English is my 4th language, I'm sure you struggle with your 4th language sometimes too mate. 

 

Might have been a bad choice of words, I don't know. Thought it was obvious what I meant. What else could I have meant. Didn't know any other way to put it either. 

 

Anyways, sorry that we've missed out. Instead of using that time on other more available players. 

 

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by Ikon

[madras]

1 minute ago, Ikon said:

 

 

Well English is my 4th language, I'm sure you struggle with your 4th language sometimes too mate. 

 

Might have been a bad choice of words, I don't know. Thought it was obvious what I meant. What else could I have meant. Didn't know any other way to put it either. 

 

Anyways, sorry that we've missed out. Instead of using that time on others more available players. 

 

 

 

I struggle in my first language mate. 

[elbee909]

21 minutes ago, Ikon said:

 

 

Well English is my 4th language, I'm sure you struggle with your 4th language sometimes too mate. 

 

Might have been a bad choice of words, I don't know. Thought it was obvious what I meant. What else could I have meant. Didn't know any other way to put it either. 

 

Anyways, sorry that we've missed out. Instead of using that time on other more available players. 

 

 

 

 

Its annoying but it's just a cost of doing business where it's speculative. Some you win, some you don't, and there's no way of knowing for sure without trying (no matter what some would say, it's never 100% sure.)

 

It's not even obvious that the deal is 100 percent dead, after all...

 

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by elbee909

[Ikon]

1 minute ago, elbee909 said:

 

Its annoying but it's just a cost of doing business where it's speculative. Some you win, some you don't, and there's no way of knowing for sure without trying (no matter what some would say, it's never 100% sure.)

 

It's not even obvious that the deal is 100 percent dead, after all...

 

 

 

 

I've never said that we shouldn't be trying You just said it yourself, it's annoying. 

[elbee909]

1 minute ago, Ikon said:

 

I've never said that we shouldn't be trying You just said it yourself, it's annoying. 

 

"Anyways, sorry that we've missed out. Instead of using that time on others more available players."

 

I mean it seems a bit like you're saying wasn't worth trying!

 

Anyway, here's hoping Badiashille walks through the doors in the next 48 hrs. 

[Wolfcastle]

39 minutes ago, elbee909 said:

 

So what's the takeaway? Never bother doing anything in case you waste time?

Don't put all your eggs in one basket especially when you've only got a month and its vital you have several baskets with eggs in them.

[Andy]

22 minutes ago, Ikon said:

 

 

Well English is my 4th language, I'm sure you struggle with your 4th language sometimes too mate. 

 

Might have been a bad choice of words, I don't know. Thought it was obvious what I meant. What else could I have meant. Didn't know any other way to put it either. 

 

Anyways, sorry that we've missed out. Instead of using that time on other more available players. 

 

 

 

 

You're not wrong, to be fair. The back and forth literally was a waste of time if it ends up fruitless; that doesn't mean anyone was at fault, just that in hindsight it's taken up time that could've been used elsewhere, and obviously that justifies some frustration - not at the club, or the player, or even at Sevilla, just at the outcome. 

[elbee909]

Just now, Wolfcastle said:

Don't put all your eggs in one basket especially when you've only got a month and its vital you have several baskets with eggs in them.

 

For sure. If they've only been going for one CB then that's silly. But let's not mistake the amount of Carlos media talk as evidence of that.

[midds]

They're learning the hard way this window and it was always my fear. They're green as grass when it comes to the mechanics of signing players which is why the appointment of someone experienced was vital in Nov/Dec. It's not their fault totally, can fully imagine Sevilla and Lille have been tough to negotiate with but either the deals get done or they don't. And right now they're not. Still time though I suppose. 

[Wolfcastle]

1 minute ago, elbee909 said:

 

For sure. If they've only been going for one CB then that's silly. But let's not mistake the amount of Carlos media talk as evidence of that.

To be fair we wasted time trying to get Salako, Jeffers and Zenden and ended up with Ginola, Bellamy and Robert

[elbee909]

45 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

To be fair we wasted time trying to get Salako, Jeffers and Zenden and ended up with Ginola, Bellamy and Robert

So you're saying... we should be investing our money in cloning/time machine technology!

[Kid Icarus]

Romano saying deal is definitely dead

[r0cafella]

So it’s @Trensa1 -0 Newcastle online

[Kid Icarus]

 

 

 

[The Prophet]

Shame. I wanted us to sign him, as he was our first choice target. However I'd still have winced whenever he went to ground in the box.

[Yorkie]

Never mind, not a big deal providing we secure someone else. The 'waste of time' thing really doesn't matter or even really apply tbh. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Yorkie said:

Never mind, not a big deal providing we secure someone else. The 'waste of time' thing really doesn't matter or even really apply tbh. 

As long was sign someone as good as him then yes I agree, if we rock up with a Nat Philips or a Dan burn for an inflated fee then it will be a yikes. 

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

As long was sign someone as good as him then yes I agree, if we rock up with a Nat Philips or a Dan burn for an inflated fee then it will be a yikes. 

 

We definitely won't end up with someone as good as him... 

 

What's required right now is someone better than what we have. 

[Kid Icarus]

When you have limited time and resources it can only have been a waste of both really. Personally I'd prefer to go for someone solid and dependable who'll keep us up, then go for our first target in the summer instead of spending huge amounts on our fourth or fifth target now.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

 

We definitely won't end up with someone as good as him... 

 

What's required right now is someone better than what we have. 

In this case we should consider the loan market. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, r0cafella said:

In this case we should consider the loan market. 

I would honestly rather go for a new left back and use Dummett and our existing cbs minus Clark rather than sign the likes of Philips. That’s assuming we get a good DM in.

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

When you have limited time and resources it can only have been a waste of both really. Personally I'd prefer to go for someone solid and dependable who'll keep us up, then go for our first target in the summer instead of spending huge amounts on our fourth or fifth target now.

 

If we can still sign a CB who's better than at least Lascelles, we've got away with it, basically.

 

Not securing the win against Watford was the worst thing to happen this month, and having a better CB on the pitch might have meant that the game finished 1-0 as opposed to 1-1. But, by the same token, a sterling defensive performance by an established unit (including MOTM Schar) ensured that we collected three points against Leeds, where a brand new CB might have caused a problem due to not having integrated. Both hypotheticals but the point is we've had an okay January results-wise and the lack of a new CB hasn't mattered. 

 

I'll be really frustrated if we end up with no one; in that scenario, whether or not the Botman/Carlos stuff was a waste of time won't really be the headline; the issue will have been, more broadly, the lack of competence of everyone at the club to effectively identify and then secure realistic targets who A, want to play for us and B, are at clubs who will sell to us.  

[Trensa]

2 hours ago, r0cafella said:

So it’s @Trensa1 -0 Newcastle online

Not at all, just common sense.

 

A reflection on all this and on your intention in the transfer market.

 

I think you've got the wrong profile of players to target. Bringing out players like DC or Botman is not easy, and if it's not easy it means it's too expensive.

 

From my point of view I think that in this first stage of your new era you should opt for a profile of players with potential and a step below the top players in Europe.

 

There are players with brutal potential in second-tier teams that are much more accessible and that would allow you to have a much more balanced squad than having, for example, a top centre-back and a top striker.

 

Once you have a balanced squad is when, thanks to your new purchasing power, I would go for players in certain positions.

 

I've noticed some of you desperate not to sign this or that player and signing him wouldn't make any difference if the environment isn't right.

 

I think a three or four year project would be the best way to avoid despair.

 

Nothing more, it has been interesting these days of debate here and I don't want to bother you any more.