KaKa Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, et tu brute said: What if he misses half the season though again. Say we get a promising young striker, but is then thrust into being a regular as a result of Wilson being off long term again. Very dangerous position that mind as the exact same thing happened with Jon Dahl Tomasson. I love the way everyone acts as if Wood doesn't exist because none of us rate him. It's wishful thinking really. Whether any of us like it or not, the manager is going to use him, and not just throw him away. He just paid £25 million for him a few months ago, and will use him as part of the squad, which is why they are looking at bringing in a younger striker. Best case scenario, which we all need to be praying for, is that Wilson stays relatively healthy, and that whichever young striker we bring in also makes such an impact, that he then clearly moves ahead of Wood in the pecking order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Gini replacing Joelinton? The Wijnaldum that played for Newcastle would never do that sort of work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, KaKa said: I love the way everyone acts as if Wood doesn't exist because none of us rate him. It's wishful thinking really. Whether any of us like it or not, the manager is going to use him, and not just throw him away. He just paid £25 million for him a few months ago, and will use him as part of the squad, which is why they are looking at bringing in a younger striker. Best case scenario, which we all need to be praying for, is that Wilson stays relatively healthy, and that whichever young striker we bring in also makes such an impact, that he then clearly moves ahead of Wood in the pecking order. Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: I just think there are loads of other up and coming talents who would be far more energised and motivated to join what we are currently building. Why go and bring in this older guy that is on his way down, and who could hardly get a kick at PSG last year. No thanks. We've got to move past all these 'names' just because they are well known. There are other younger players coming through that we need to identify and go and sign. Just because they aren't house hold names yet, doesn't mean they don't exist. It's up to our scouting and DOF to go and get them. That midfielder Palace just signed is very highly rated, and they 've got him for just £23 million or so from Lens. We can't have Palace signing those kind of players while we go signing Wijnaldum at 31 years old man. Then in a year we'll be wanting to sign him off Palace for £60 million when he does well, which would be ridiculous. I would rather spend money on a young up and comer as well, but I have strong doubts it will happen this window with it being less of a priority than a winger and a forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeT44 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 What I'd give for a prime Cabaye in our midfield now (or Tiote)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Big River said: hardly a stick to beat him with that. not sure if I'd take him, but thought he was class in the Euros. But why ... you guys act as though no other players exist out there. Best case scenario we get a couple of seasons out of him, before we then need to go and get a younger player anyway. He's hardly a world class player either, so there's just no need for it man. I think it's an awful idea. Let Gini stay where he is on the bench. Couldn't believe he turned down Barcelona to join them last year. We shouldn't be the one's to go pulling him out of that mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, KaKa said: I love the way everyone acts as if Wood doesn't exist because none of us rate him. It's wishful thinking really. Whether any of us like it or not, the manager is going to use him, and not just throw him away. He just paid £25 million for him a few months ago, and will use him as part of the squad, which is why they are looking at bringing in a younger striker. Best case scenario, which we all need to be praying for, is that Wilson stays relatively healthy, and that whichever young striker we bring in also makes such an impact, that he then clearly moves ahead of Wood in the pecking order. Wilson has never and won’t ever stay fit, it would be poor planning to rely on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Kimbo said: I would rather spend money on a young up and comer as well, but I have strong doubts it will happen this window with it being less of a priority than a winger and a forward. Stop having doubts. They will get to it eventually. Wijnaldum is not the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: Wilson has never and won’t ever stay fit, it would be poor planning to rely on him. We aren't planning on relying on him though, that's why we were chasing Ekiteke. I'm sure there will be alternatives as well if that one is dead. I just don't think it's going to be a Darwin Nunez calibre striker, partly because those aren't available to us yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, KaKa said: I love the way everyone acts as if Wood doesn't exist because none of us rate him. It's wishful thinking really. Whether any of us like it or not, the manager is going to use him, and not just throw him away. He just paid £25 million for him a few months ago, and will use him as part of the squad, which is why they are looking at bringing in a younger striker. Best case scenario, which we all need to be praying for, is that Wilson stays relatively healthy, and that whichever young striker we bring in also makes such an impact, that he then clearly moves ahead of Wood in the pecking order. You maybe right, he's still absolute shit. If we're relying on Wood as backup to Wilson again and Wilson gets another long term injury, then it's going to be a long frustrating season. I think it's a massive gamble (niave at best) to rely on Wilson being fit. We will see what happens come 1st September though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: Wilson has never and won’t ever stay fit, it would be poor planning to rely on him. It's certainly a terrifying prospect, but unfortunately, even though we see it as possibly relying on him too much, by having Wilson, Wood and a younger talented striker, the manager will not be looking at it the same way. He will view Wood as a viable option upfront for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Just now, et tu brute said: You maybe right, he's still absolute shit. If we're relying on Wood as backup to Wilson again and Wilson gets another long term injury, then it's going to be a long frustrating season. I think it's a massive gamble (niave at best) to rely on Wilson being fit. We will see what happens come 1st September though. Yeah, it's rough. But I'm willing to patient about it, he'll get replaced soon enough. There's only so much we can do at once, and because he only just came in January, I don't see it being a priority. Hopefully, we land a younger striker that's a bit special, and pushes ahead of Wood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, xLiaaamx said: Gini replacing Joelinton? The Wijnaldum that played for Newcastle would never do that sort of work. Aye, but a midfield of Bruno, Big Joe, coupled with the experience/class of GG? Add favoured two wide players/forwards and a central striker… tasty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, BlazeT44 said: What I'd give for a prime Cabaye in our midfield now (or Tiote)... We've got a better version of Cabaye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, KaKa said: But why ... you guys act as though no other players exist out there. Best case scenario we get a couple of seasons out of him, before we then need to go and get a younger player anyway. He's hardly a world class player either, so there's just no need for it man. I think it's an awful idea. Let Gini stay where he is on the bench. Couldn't believe he turned down Barcelona to join them last year. We shouldn't be the one's to go pulling him out of that mess. Kaka dropping truth bombs left right and centre with this and the Wood comments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, KaKa said: It's certainly a terrifying prospect, but unfortunately, even though we see it as possibly relying on him too much, by having Wilson, Wood and a younger talented striker, the manager will not be looking at it the same way. He will view Wood as a viable option upfront for now. No doubt he'll have faith in Wood, I know alot of fans have shit on him and some of it is warranted. I do feel that he hard time adjusting to our style of play though, its not like we were providing a striker of his style with great service although I know he did blow a few of the good chances he did have.. looked like a player feeling the pressure a bit and of low confidence. We might see the best out of him yet. Edited June 28, 2022 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 18 days of the window gone, 64 days to go. Assuming Botman is done, wonder who is next? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, jonny1403 said: Kaka dropping truth bombs left right and centre with this and the Wood comments * opinion bombs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nine said: No doubt he'll have faith in Wood, I know alot of fans have shit on him and some of it is warranted. I do feel that he hard time adjusting to our style of play though, its not like we were providing a striker of his style with great service although I know he did blow a few of the good chances he did have.. looked like a player feeling the pressure a bit and of low confidence. We might see the best out of him yet. Yeah, I think he'll possibly look a bit better with a full pre-season, and with working more with the rest of the team, and also without the pressure of being the only striker available with the threat of relegation looming over the club. However, I have to say, I just don't think his hold up/link up play is very good at all, and I'm not sure at this point of his career it improves significantly. It really makes so much more sense now why he was always played upfront with Ashley Barnes at Burnley, who was the one that held up the ball, which then allowed Wood to focus on getting in behind and on the end of chances. To see a real improvement in his play this coming season, I think we would have to play someone closer to him who looks to get on the ball in those spaces just behind the striker, and limit Wood's need to drop deep and get on the ball as much. Hopefully that's an adjustment the manager makes whenever he is used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, KaKa said: Yeah, I think he'll possibly look a bit better with a full pre-season, and with working more with the rest of the team, and also without the pressure of being the only striker available with the threat of relegation looming over the club. However, I have to say, I just don't think his hold up/link up play is very good at all, and I'm not sure at this point of his career it improves significantly. It really makes so much more sense now why he was always played upfront with Ashley Barnes at Burnley, who was the one that held up the ball, which then allowed Wood to focus on getting in behind and on the end of chances. To see a real improvement in his play this coming season, I think we would have to play someone closer to him who looks to get on the ball in those spaces just behind the striker, and limit Wood's need to drop deep and get on the ball as much. Hopefully that's an adjustment the manager makes whenever he is used. I agree with you. I was pretty surprised with how poor he is at holding up the ball and linking up, coming from a Burnley team and for a player of his size/build those attributes should be his bread and butter really. I've got faith that Howe will utilise him better with some more time with the team and especially with more quality around him, like you say one of the front 2 of the midfield pushing up to him when he has possession would probably make the difference.. he was heavily isolated at times which didnt help his case. Edited June 28, 2022 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 52 minutes ago, TRon said: We aren't planning on relying on him though, that's why we were chasing Ekiteke. I'm sure there will be alternatives as well if that one is dead. I just don't think it's going to be a Darwin Nunez calibre striker, partly because those aren't available to us yet. I’d be more than happy with that, ideally someone young but still a little more proven than Etikite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 If its five subs next year, Wood could come on and do his pressing in the last 10 mins if we are holding on in a game. I know that's not going to set the pulse racing, but every contribution helps. Whether we do that or not, five subs will definitely change things up a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 We'll clearly sign a striker like, and if we don't I think it's incredibly fair to say we've messed up. We play a winger up top before we use our third choice so there's no excuse for leaving it as it is. For me we absolutely need someone with pace as Wilson's movement in behind made all the difference. The pace is more important in the backup striker signing than an insane goal record for me personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, xLiaaamx said: We'll clearly sign a striker like, and if we don't I think it's incredibly fair to say we've messed up. We play a winger up top before we use our third choice so there's no excuse for leaving it as it is. For me we absolutely need someone with pace as Wilson's movement in behind made all the difference. The pace is more important in the backup striker signing than an insane goal record for me personally. No RW and striker and we've failed massively. Also I want a DM and an AM on top of that. All of those and it would probably rival our best ever window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, KaKa said: I love the way everyone acts as if Wood doesn't exist because none of us rate him. It's wishful thinking really. Whether any of us like it or not, the manager is going to use him, and not just throw him away. He just paid £25 million for him a few months ago, and will use him as part of the squad, which is why they are looking at bringing in a younger striker. Best case scenario, which we all need to be praying for, is that Wilson stays relatively healthy, and that whichever young striker we bring in also makes such an impact, that he then clearly moves ahead of Wood in the pecking order. No reason Wood can't get 8-10 goals as back-up to Wilson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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