More transfer rumours

[Andy]

Another good signing for Villa, the speed they're working at is what I would have liked to have seen from us tbh. 

[RodneyCisse]

3 minutes ago, toontownman said:

Admirable ambition from Villa the past few years. Wonder if it's sustainable. 

Couple great signings, feels a bit like they’re going for it now before the doors close.

 

Next season could be massive in terms of premier league balance, Arsenal will fall back having the extra games. West Ham will get found out when they spend no money, these 6th 7th places are up for grabs.

[TRon]

7 minutes ago, nbthree3 said:

Villa have him confirmed

 

Kind of pissed off that they seem to be chasing the same targets we are, and getting them ahead of us. They won the race for Digne as well.

[Hanshithispantz]

But aye Villa have been impressive in the transfer market, atleast in their ability to bring strong names in. 

 

Howe's shown he knows exactly what we need though.

[The Butcher]

We have Howe, they have Gerrard. Not worried at all. 

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

So we were quoted £50m and they get him for £30m.

 

Showd what we're up against.

 

That was mid season tbf when Sevilla were still competing for CL places. There's nothing to stop us matching the fee if we want him. I'm guessing now we have Dan Burn we probably washed our hands of that one now.

[Hanshithispantz]

Carlos would take Schar's place not Burns but Schar has been rock solid too. If we're going to splash £30m out on a centre back I'd prefer they weren't in their 30s like.

 

 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Hanshithispantz

[Manxst]

6 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Kind of pissed off that they seem to be chasing the same targets we are, and getting them ahead of us. They won the race for Digne as well.

Amanda said they basically pulled out of a signing after learning things about his character- widely reputed to be Digne 

[Hanshithispantz]

5 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

We have Howe, they have Gerrard. Not worried at all. 

Basically this. I'd probably prefer we get out DoF sorted before spashing out like £200m too 

[ponsaelius]

I think all of our big money signings from now on really need to be under 26. We have got to bring the average age of the squad down. And as much as you can say 'it's not my money' it is simply not prudent at the stage we are at with FFP to spend lots on players whose value will only depreciate. You can really quickly put yourself into a corner.

 

The odd experienced squad player on short term deals is fine - but you shouldn't be dropping big money and wages on them.

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2022 by ponsaelius

[TRon]

Just now, ponsaelius said:

I think all of our big money signings from now on really need to be under 26. We have got to bring the average age of the squad down. And as much as you can say 'it's not my money' it is simply not prudent at the stage we are at with FFP to spend lots on players who's value will only depreciate. You can really quickly put yourself into a corner.

 

The odd experienced squad player on short term deals is fine - but you shouldn't be dropping big money and wages on them.

 

 

Do you think Villa are playing a dangerous game making these sort of signings? It could be another Everton where they have a good season then it deteriorates quite quickly. I don't know how many of their squad are close to 30 having said that. I mean we paid £25m for Wood and he's pushing that, but I guess we were desperate at the time. I think Burn is 29 as well?

 

 

[JonBez comesock]

16 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

We have Howe, they have Gerrard. Not worried at all. 

Players win games 

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, JonBez comesock said:

Players win games 

 

So do managers

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said:

Players win games 

 

Short term yes. I'd still rather have the better manager long term, and I still believe that's Howe.

[Dokko]

2 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said:

Players win games 

why did they not win in 14 before his arrival?

[ponsaelius]

4 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Do you think Villa are playing a dangerous game making these sort of signings? It could be another Everton where they have a good season then it deteriorates quite quickly. I don't know how many of their squad are close to 30 having said that. I mean we paid £25m for Wood and he's pushing that, but I guess we were desperate at the time. I think Burn is 29 as well?

 

 

 

Yeah we were desperate in January so it's excusable from a pragmatic point of view in those circumstances. But you can already see what a deadweight Wood is. Clearly massively on the downward as a player and we've basically lost a load of money for little return.

 

I think you can do it now and again, and accept the money spent for returns on the pitch, but as a general model in the short term I would definitely be targeting younger players now. Look at the age profile that City and Liverpool go for in general. They spend big but at the right point. It means when circumstances change they can shift the players on - look at the fees City got for Sane and Torres for example. 

[JonBez comesock]

8 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Short term yes. I'd still rather have the better manager long term, and I still believe that's Howe.

Me too

[TRon]

5 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

 

Yeah we were desperate in January so it's excusable from a pragmatic point of view in those circumstances. But you can already see what a deadweight Wood is. Clearly massively on the downward as a player and we've basically lost a load of money for little return.

 

I think you can do it now and again, and accept the money spent for returns on the pitch, but as a general model in the short term I would definitely be targeting younger players now. Look at the age profile that City and Liverpool go for in general. They spend big but at the right point. It means when circumstances change they can shift the players on - look at the fees City got for Sane and Torres for example. 

 

Yes it's frustrating to watch other teams take advantage, but we stayed up, I guess we'll have to bite our lip and realise this is a long game. Might not prevail next season, but over the next 2-3 hopefully we'll see significant progression which will build for the long term.

[JonBez comesock]

9 minutes ago, Dokko said:

why did they not win in 14 before his arrival?

Because the other teams players scored more goals 

 

players also lose games 

 

Good managers help prepare (which is important) 

 

 

[JonBez comesock]

11 minutes ago, Dokko said:

why did they not win in 14 before his arrival?

Also it helps if a manager trains the players 

[Abacus]

11 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Do you think Villa are playing a dangerous game making these sort of signings? It could be another Everton where they have a good season then it deteriorates quite quickly. I don't know how many of their squad are close to 30 having said that. I mean we paid £25m for Wood and he's pushing that, but I guess we were desperate at the time. I think Burn is 29 as well?

 

 

And Trippier. As well as the policy of extending player contracts before that under Ashley just to avoid spending on new players.

 

If it's reliable, then according to Transfer market (or whatever it's called), we've got one of the highest age squads in the PL at 28.5.

 

We really need to freshen it up, and if we want to spend big money, then while the odd bit of experience is great and it's got to be taken case by case, in general I'd rather spend that on a 25 year old rather than a 30 year old.

 

NB, Burnley's average age was higher at 30 but they're gone now.

 

Villa had an average squad age of around 26.2, over two years younger on average than us, so less of a risk to them I'd guess.

[The Prophet]

Villa have only spent £43 million this window, they're getting value for money.

[STM]

32 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Kind of pissed off that they seem to be chasing the same targets we are, and getting them ahead of us. They won the race for Digne as well.

There is no evidence that they are chasing the same targets as us. Digne, yes but as has already been pointed out, Rafa warned us off him.

 

Diego Carlos wasn't even our first choice in January, he was an after thought when Botman became difficult. There's zero evidence to suggest that he was even wanted by us this summer. I'd guess we are looking for someone younger.

 

Who else is there? Kamara we were never in for according to local journalists. That doesn't mean to say we weren't aware of him.

 

Villa are doing some great early business but wait and see who our targets are before getting worried. 

[JonBez comesock]

Fwiw

 

i still prefer our owners and manager ahead of anyone else’s 

 

I love the ambition and new plans 

 

I am just saying villa have had a great start to the window 

 

I don’t get all the comments slating other teams when they sign decent players and players we would like to sign 

 

it’s good to have competition 

[The Prophet]

Who's slating them though?