DJ_NUFC Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, The Prophet said: Lingard is bang average, but he'd have been an improvement on what we have. Providing we stay up, we can do better in the summer. I think the idea was to get an AM in to help us stay up. We're still lacking that, as many others have pointed out. I'm not even thinking about summer signings, staying up has to be the sole priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazzanufc1892 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, The Prophet said: Lingard is bang average, but he'd have been an improvement on what we have. Providing we stay up, we can do better in the summer. That "bang average player" was a highlight under Jose, scored key goals, has as many assists as Jota this year who is meant to be on fire. He went on loan to a club in a January window and transformed them into a force. he has goals and assists for his country and a goal in a World Cup. Hes an exceptional team mate, plays as a 10, on the left and the right. hes both footed, has pace and accuracy. He also stepped up repeatedly for United in games at Wembley when others hid. Id reassess "bang average" with some facts and comparisons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 manu board wouldnt loan to west ham as champions league place rivals. when it comes to us, they just want us relegated. whats a few million to them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 He'll have to hit the ground running with his new club next season to be anywhere near the England squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 15 hours ago, 54 said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 7 hours ago, dazzanufc1892 said: That "bang average player" was a highlight under Jose, scored key goals, has as many assists as Jota this year who is meant to be on fire. He went on loan to a club in a January window and transformed them into a force. he has goals and assists for his country and a goal in a World Cup. Hes an exceptional team mate, plays as a 10, on the left and the right. hes both footed, has pace and accuracy. He also stepped up repeatedly for United in games at Wembley when others hid. Id reassess "bang average" with some facts and comparisons. United FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 7 hours ago, dazzanufc1892 said: That "bang average player" was a highlight under Jose, scored key goals, has as many assists as Jota this year who is meant to be on fire. He went on loan to a club in a January window and transformed them into a force. he has goals and assists for his country and a goal in a World Cup. Hes an exceptional team mate, plays as a 10, on the left and the right. hes both footed, has pace and accuracy. He also stepped up repeatedly for United in games at Wembley when others hid. Id reassess "bang average" with some facts and comparisons. I've watched every game he's played for Manchester United. He's bang average. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milburn Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Froggy said: I've watched every game he's played for Manchester United. He's bang average. Yes, but bang average is a good step up from what we have at our disposal in those area of the pitch. It’s a pity we didn’t get him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Froggy said: I've watched every game he's played for Manchester United. He's bang average. So no different to the majority of your players then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) Lingard's a good player and makes most PL squads better. He would've been a great short-medium term signing for us. Edited February 4, 2022 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Froggy said: I've watched every game he's played for Manchester United. He's bang average. Outside of ASM, our current options are Willock, Almiron, Fraser, Ritchie and Murphy. The gulf in class between Lingard and that lot is huge, bang average or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 He's no better than Willock or Almiron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Froggy said: He's no better than Willock or Almiron. That's not true. Almiron isn't even PL standard. Lingard scored more goals for Wham than ALmiron has in 3 years. Edited February 4, 2022 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Froggy said: He's no better than Willock or Almiron. Have you seen them play lately? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: Have you seen them play lately? I've seen Lingard. A lot of people seem to use Lingard's spell at West Ham as an indication of how good he is. Willock had a pretty much identical spell with you lot. They're all scrap, and you'll be looking higher than the likes of those guys in the next 6-18 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 He would have been a great short term option for us no doubt. If we manage to survive we need to aim higher though. Let’s get Anthony from Ajax Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Aye. There's no point discussing Lingard anymore. He was a one window potential signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I was well up for us signing him right up to the "Etikite fee agreed" reports, with another revival after the Etikite deal collapsed.We have ended up an attacker light. The way the Lingard deal ended though, I think Chris Waugh is probably correct in that we were right to not sign him on the terms offered, because going forward, the new regime need to establish themselves as competent transfer negotiators and not a soft touch who'll overpay for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 46 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: That's not true. Almiron isn't even PL standard. Lingard scored more goals for Wham than ALmiron has in 3 years. I mean I know a lot of people hate him now, but this is just bullshit. He doesn't work in a struggling team in the current system, that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 The stats support that Almiron has been at his most effective for us through the middle, playing just in front of the midfield. He can carry the ball and will commit opposition players, but he doesn't have the delivery to be playing out wide, where he's usually deployed. That said if we're going with an attacking midfield type role, I'd rather see Willock there than Almiron. They’ve both had poor seasons to date, but Willock is far more of a goal threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, Shearergol said: I mean I know a lot of people hate him now, but this is just bullshit. He doesn't work in a struggling team in the current system, that's all. Does he start for any team in the league? If we released him, would another PL team pick him up? 23 minutes ago, Stottie said: I was well up for us signing him right up to the "Etikite fee agreed" reports, with another revival after the Etikite deal collapsed.We have ended up an attacker light. The way the Lingard deal ended though, I think Chris Waugh is probably correct in that we were right to not sign him on the terms offered, because going forward, the new regime need to establish themselves as competent transfer negotiators and not a soft touch who'll overpay for everyone. We are in too much of a bad situation though. We should have made an exception for at least another great signing. A Lingard or a Botman significantly changes our odds of relegation, even if we overpay by £10m. Sometimes needs must. Big teams sometimes overpay to get the right player that can be transformative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I'm not sure Lingard would have been transformative. Particularly in Howe's preferred systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 30 minutes ago, Stottie said: I was well up for us signing him right up to the "Etikite fee agreed" reports, with another revival after the Etikite deal collapsed.We have ended up an attacker light. The way the Lingard deal ended though, I think Chris Waugh is probably correct in that we were right to not sign him on the terms offered, because going forward, the new regime need to establish themselves as competent transfer negotiators and not a soft touch who'll overpay for everyone. Agree. As much as I think it would’ve been the icing on the cake this transfer window going forward and is a gamble the bigger picture it made total sense to send out a strong message of not being mugs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: I'm not sure Lingard would have been transformative. Particularly in Howe's preferred systems. Fraser/Almiron to Lingard or a midfield 3 of Bruno, Joe & Lingard is transformative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Fraser/Almiron to Lingard or a midfield 3 of Bruno, Joe & Lingard is transformative. Lingard's career purple patch came at West Ham, playing in front of Soucek and Rice. He doesn't really contribute defensively so I doubt we'd stick him out wide (plus there's little to suggest he's any good there). We'd have to play him in front of two defensively solid midfielders, which I'm unsure we have right now. I was pro-Lingard for this transfer window as he's an upgrade on Almiron and most likely Willock, but I'm not sure he'd he transformative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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