Myleftboot Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 If he decides to leave go all out for Barella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 He’s our best player and he’s an amazing person - the player I’d sacrifice last - as much as I love Isak - Bruno is the glue! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Bruno is easily a better player than Isak overall. Isak’s ceiling is unlimited. But like I’ve always said, he is inconsistent and always has been. He’s very up and down and that is what is keeping him away from being proper proper world class at the biggest stage on a regular basis. Like many over here say, he is so so talented and good at times tans despite admitting he has done very well he can/should be even better overall. That’s how talented he is. Injuries haven’t helped of course, but it’s mostly mentality that is “holding him back” from what he can truly be. Having said that, strikers might be more difficult to replace. We won’t see Bruno’s real level until he plays for a side like City for example. That is when he will take that last step and everyone will be even more in awe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 51 minutes ago, Paully said: He’s our best player and he’s an amazing person - the player I’d sacrifice last - as much as I love Isak - Bruno is the glue! Captaincy to make that leaving decision that little bit harder (I believe he’s here for the next season as a minimum). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KaKa Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ikon said: Bruno is easily a better player than Isak overall. Isak’s ceiling is unlimited. But like I’ve always said, he is inconsistent and always has been. He’s very up and down and that is what is keeping him away from being proper proper world class at the biggest stage on a regular basis. Like many over here say, he is so so talented and good at times tans despite admitting he has done very well he can/should be even better overall. That’s how talented he is. Injuries haven’t helped of course, but it’s mostly mentality that is “holding him back” from what he can truly be. Having said that, strikers might be more difficult to replace. We won’t see Bruno’s real level until he plays for a side like City for example. That is when he will take that last step and everyone will be even more in awe. Even with all of his great attributes as a player, the best thing about Bruno is his durability and fitness. Mostly always available and plays with high energy. Edited March 24 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 25 minutes ago, BonesJones said: ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondonewc Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 3 hours ago, KaKa said: Again, this just isn't true. It only seems to be the case because we're either not as familiar with potential replacements, or their abilities are being underrated, similar to how Isak was when we signed him, and a bunch of people were claiming he wasn't a goal scorer due to his record the season before in Spain. Can you give a few examples then of who we could sign that could replace Isak? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, KaKa said: Again, this just isn't true. It only seems to be the case because we're either not as familiar with potential replacements, or their abilities are being underrated, similar to how Isak was when we signed him, and a bunch of people were claiming he wasn't a goal scorer due to his record the season before in Spain. I agree, we've never had a problem signing strikers since being in the Premier league. Even under Ashley we managed some great strikers, not all great, a few fillers here and there, but some very good ones. With strikers it's about risk reward, some just work, others may not, clubs have gambled on a striker at a few million or a few hundred thousand and they've turned out insane, whereas there's times you spend over the odds 30+ million, and they're total fails. Kévin Denkey a relatively unknown, could end up like Lois Openda? RB Leipzig/Dortmund are sides who dare to take players young and put them to the test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I would hope the club could persuade Bruno and isak to do one more year and if it doesn't meet expectations on a club and personal level then they have the clubs blessing to go the season after. But if we get our act together in terms of recruitment and keeping players fit (lessons learned you'd hope) then we make it harder for them to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianSwan Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Bring the best of the Saudi players over now to play with him and push for top 4 next year. Saudi Pro League is a failed project, sell them on the cheap to Newcastle now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 20 minutes ago, BrianSwan said: Bring the best of the Saudi players over now to play with him and push for top 4 next year. Saudi Pro League is a failed project, sell them on the cheap to Newcastle now. The 4D chess move Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 34 minutes ago, mondonewc said: Can you give a few examples then of who we could sign that could replace Isak? Kevin Denkey Mohamed Amoura Jonathan David Benjamin Sesko Brian Brobbey Rafa Mujica Viktor Gyokeres Then there would be hundreds already on a list that would be cheap that would be risks, but we are not a club like Dortmund or RB, who are daring. And equally there will be lots that are very expensive or close to end of contracts with reputation, that again would be a risk, because like Nkunku currently, Warner, many others that turn up in the PL it doesn't always go to plan. Fernando Torres great for one club, terrible for another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondonewc Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 14 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: Kevin Denkey Mohamed Amoura Jonathan David Benjamin Sesko Brian Brobbey Rafa Mujica Viktor Gyokeres Then there would be hundreds already on a list that would be cheap that would be risks, but we are not a club like Dortmund or RB, who are daring. And equally there will be lots that are very expensive or close to end of contracts with reputation, that again would be a risk, because like Nkunku currently, Warner, many others that turn up in the PL it doesn't always go to plan. Fernando Torres great for one club, terrible for another. 100's who can replace Isak??? Guess we have very different opinions on how good Isak is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I’d say Isak is close to irreplaceable in terms of talent, Bruno is close to irreplaceable in terms of attitude. His talent is extremely difficult to replace as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mondonewc said: 100's who can replace Isak??? Guess we have very different opinions on how good Isak is! Yes there will be hundreds on a database, but I said would be risks. You struggle to understand that? What do you think happened when Dortmund first took Isak from AIK? I don't think you understood the points I was making, in previous post, and previous reply to @KaKa Edited March 24 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, mondonewc said: Can you give a few examples then of who we could sign that could replace Isak? No, that's the recruitment teams job. Sure, I could mention some strikers I like, but it will be easy for people to simply reply they are not good enough, as is the typical response. Isak was deemed an unreliable goal scorer and a big risk when we signed him for £60 million. It has since worked out very differently though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondonewc Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 30 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: Yes there will be hundreds on a database, but I said would be risks. You struggle to understand that? What do you think happened when Dortmund first took Isak from AIK? I don't think you understood the points I was making, in previous post, and previous reply to @KaKa Well the discussion I'm having is who would be viable candidates to replace Isak should he be sold, and outside of Haaland, Isak is arguably the best Striker in the league right now with significantly higher potential, in my opinion. You're suggesting that there are hundreds of candidates on a database, albeit with risk, and I think that's a very questionable statement. I think suggesting it would be a risk to find a like for like replacement for Isak who's of similar ability with 100's of other players is inaccurate, I think that number is much, much lower for realistic targets who are even close to the level that he's at, and those who fit the bill will all be targets for bigger clubs than us, and that's the point of concern for me, thus my suggestion he's arguably irreplaceable. Edited March 24 by mondonewc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Bruno is our best ever midfielder in the PL era whereas Isak is debatably our third best striker. Bruno would start for any team in the world, Isak wouldn't. That's not to say Isak can't become the player we all think he can be, but he's still a lot of potential right now wheras Bruno is pretty much the finished article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Who are you putting after Shearer and before Isak? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Just now, gbandit said: Who are you putting after Shearer and before Isak? Ferdinand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 minutes ago, HawK said: Ferdinand Loved Sir Les but what Andy Cole did was exceptional. I’d have both of them above Isak for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, HawK said: Ferdinand Fair enough. I think Isak’s ability exceeds Ferdinand’s by a distance but Ferdinand was an incredibly good goalscorer. He was like a better, fitter version of Callum Wilson who was also better in the air. Isak offers the team more than just goals. If Isak’s here next season he’ll move past Ferdinand unless he has injuries that keep him out for large parts of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 hour ago, mighty__mag said: Kevin Denkey Mohamed Amoura Jonathan David Benjamin Sesko Brian Brobbey Rafa Mujica Viktor Gyokeres Then there would be hundreds already on a list that would be cheap that would be risks, but we are not a club like Dortmund or RB, who are daring. And equally there will be lots that are very expensive or close to end of contracts with reputation, that again would be a risk, because like Nkunku currently, Warner, many others that turn up in the PL it doesn't always go to plan. Fernando Torres great for one club, terrible for another. I'm getting old, never even heard of half of those. VG won't be remotely cheap though. BB hasn't convinced me at all anytime I watch him either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, gbandit said: Fair enough. I think Isak’s ability exceeds Ferdinand’s by a distance but Ferdinand was an incredibly good goalscorer. He was like a better, fitter version of Callum Wilson who was also better in the air. Isak offers the team more than just goals. If Isak’s here next season he’ll move past Ferdinand unless he has injuries that keep him out for large parts of the season Good points - I do rate Ferdinand in leading the line though, he was way more than just a poacher and he completely bullied defenders in a way that Wilson never has. He was a battering ram. I think if Isak had someone like Ferdinand to play off, we'd have one scary forward line. But it's a bit like comparing apples to oranges - up top you've got Shearer and Ferdinand in that line-leading role, then you have someone like Isak who should be drifting about more as others make space for him to exploit. Hard to compare him to another player, he's pretty unique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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