OverThere Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 So why did the gf or ex-gf refuse to testify? Are they back together or was this behavior part of the relationship, terrible though that may seem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, JUICE690 said: But he still kicked the shit out of her. Why is that glossed over in both statements? It's not glossed over, quite the reverse. They literally say they believe he didn't do that and that there's another mysterious reason (that they won't share) for the photos, videos and audio recordings of a woman being beaten up and its aftermath. If it wasn't so serious, it would be laughable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Just now, OverThere said: So why did the gf or ex-gf refuse to testify? Are they back together or was this behavior part of the relationship, terrible though that may seem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Just now, OverThere said: So why did the gf or ex-gf refuse to testify? Are they back together or was this behavior part of the relationship, terrible though that may seem? Back together (allegedly never really apart) and now with child. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Just now, OverThere said: So why did the gf or ex-gf refuse to testify? Are they back together or was this behavior part of the relationship, terrible though that may seem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Just now, Skeletor said: Oh, I see. Nothing unusual then...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Manxst said: Back together (allegedly never really apart) and now with child. Jeez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 minute ago, OverThere said: Oh, I see. Nothing unusual then...... Will be interesting now that he's worth nothing though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Just now, Skeletor said: Will be interesting now that he's worth nothing though. Maybe he will claim spousal/partner support from her. Its a crazy world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Skeletor said: Will be interesting now that he's worth nothing though. He’s still a multi millionaire and will no doubt go on to earn more millions elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Not deliberately being contrarian here but it's an interesting study of male feminist's thinking when you see them berating "sexist jokes" on the Lionesses' thread but, seemingly, think it's acceptable to suggest a domestic violence victim would stay with her abuser, have his child, just for the coin ? If she was my daughter I don't think I'd be as conciliatory as her dad appears to be but then he's either a cunt or he's not and he's listened to her and her wishes. Whatever the facts of the matter at the very least the material already in the public domain would be enough for a dismissal in 99.9% of occupations just on Disrepute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 How does he have a following at all, let alone a large following? He’s a pathetic little creep with absolutely zero convictions, all he cares about are clicks, like a huge number of losers online Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeT44 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, astraguy said: Looks like a horrible and distasteful take, but I never make full judgement based on a "short" clip without any context or listening to the prior discussion. Not withstanding that, he's a little freak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chris_R said: Bit unfair like given it has all the hallmarks of a domestic violence case, granted it appears her father's thirst for cash comes before his parental instinct. Edited August 21, 2023 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 I'm pretty confident that Goldbridge clip will be out of context. Everything I've ever seen from him is him explicitly condemning Greenwood and him saying he doesn't want him at Man United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Bit unfair like given it has all the hallmarks of a domestic violence case, granted it appears her father's thirst for crash comes before his parental instinct. This is one thing I don't get. I'm sure it was Froggy (apologies if not, cba to read back) who said that there was no reason for the father/daughter to be after money as they're already milllionaires. Missing entirely that the greediest people on this Earth have consistently proven to be the rich, and the richer the greedier. As if being already well off has ever stopped anyone craving more coin, in fact it seems to be quite the reverse. And in this case it seems the father would far rather have his daughter be with a rich "alleged" abuser than with some poor kid who'll treat her well, which as I've just said is hardly surprising. Rich people never want their kids marrying poor, it dilutes their wealth which they've fought so hard to hoard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Groundhog63 said: Not deliberately being contrarian here but it's an interesting study of male feminist's thinking when you see them berating "sexist jokes" on the Lionesses' thread but, seemingly, think it's acceptable to suggest a domestic violence victim would stay with her abuser, have his child, just for the coin ? I completely agree, really grim. Women stay with their abusers every day for many different reasons, in many different economic situations. Maybe she's staying with him because she's scared if she doesn't he'll hunt her down and knife her, an extremely common thing that happens to women who leave violent men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 3 hours ago, The Prophet said: Bit unfair like given it has all the hallmarks of a domestic violence case, granted it appears her father's thirst for cash comes before his parental instinct. So you know her better than her father? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) How would any of us know either way? It's not like you know her dad. Edited August 21, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full90minutes Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Groundhog63 said: Not deliberately being contrarian here but it's an interesting study of male feminist's thinking when you see them berating "sexist jokes" on the Lionesses' thread but, seemingly, think it's acceptable to suggest a domestic violence victim would stay with her abuser, have his child, just for the coin ? If she was my daughter I don't think I'd be as conciliatory as her dad appears to be but then he's either a cunt or he's not and he's listened to her and her wishes. Whatever the facts of the matter at the very least the material already in the public domain would be enough for a dismissal in 99.9% of occupations just on Disrepute. I had to do some work in sexual assault and the law, for a project I was writing on. I'm not an expert, so take this all with a grain of salt. And I speak from an Australian perspective, but our law is based on British Law. But false accusations of sexual assault are statistically very very low. Conviction rates for sexual assault are also very low, which acts to deter 'false' and true victims coming forward to police. The standard of proof necessary for a conviction that can result in gaol time is very high, as little as between 8-12%. Police treatment of sexual assault victims has also been heavily criticised. What is most interesting is recent studies that show how trauma affects memory and can actually lead to gaps and mistakes in memory - and due to the adversarial nature of legal cases which depends on defence barristers demolishing the credibility of witnesses (often the complainant) these 'gaps' and 'erasures' are exactly the sort of thing that defence uses. I don't know the truth of this, and I doubt anyone can. But victims returning to abusing partner is sadly not uncommon - in fact a victim 'goes back' to an abuser three times (on average) before leaving them, so we can't draw anything conclusive in this. But agree with Groundhog, the club probably has grounds for dismissal on 'professional conduct' grounds if nothing else. Apologies for long post - if anyone is interested there is a great book called 'Witness' by Louise Milligan that goes into depth about sexual assault and the law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 The bare minimum for decency here was for Greenwood to confess that it was him on the audio and admit he'd acted in an indefensible way. He could then state (hopefully accurately) that he'd had lots of counselling and was now appalled about how he acted. He could also urge other men to refrain from such behaviour, send the stongest possible message to incel types to not bully his partner or other women (including the Man U womens team and Lionesses) over this, and finally beg for forgiveness. From a PR perspective, he would probably need to frame it all as "DV" to get the conversation about him as far from "rape" as possible. Marriage guidance people will hear of DV all the time, the vast majority of which will not involve criminal investigations. That should not be raised as an issue. This would probably not get him back in the team, but at least some good or reparation would have come out of it. As it is, we are left with "no crime was committed!" as the loudest message and suspicion that he's just paid her off. This is appalling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lish007 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 If anyone hasn't seen Jodie Comers "Prima Facie", I would highly recommend it. She's absolutely fantastic in it and it's the best representation/information I've seen on what happens during rape cases and for rape victims. It's written by a lawyer who works in the field so it's very accurate. It's currently on Broadway in the USA but you can get it on film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 10 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: I'm pretty confident that Goldbridge clip will be out of context. Everything I've ever seen from him is him explicitly condemning Greenwood and him saying he doesn't want him at Man United. He works for Talk Sport. He’s just another along a line of them who say things to ‘create conversation’ that may or may not align with their views. When you go on like that, you have no credibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Any idea how long before the rtg suggest he’s a potential signing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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