sunderland

[Ben]

Arh well, there's always next season 

[Groundhog63]

Only 9 places below Man U

 

 

 

[Andy84]

Le Fee shite anyway marra 

[SteV]

55 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

 

Knock the mackems for whatever you want but them keeping ticket prices low is an odd thing to mock them for.

Well, sort of. 
 

It’s obviously a good thing to keep prices low, but when you’re doing it out necessity, rather than for the greater good, I’m not sure it’s to be applauded.

[Menace]

Imagine if they get knocked out by Coventry in the play offs.

[Stifler]

1 hour ago, jonny1403 said:

Knock the mackems for whatever you want but them keeping ticket prices low is an odd thing to mock them for.

It’s more of a case of the RTG’s creating game by game threads congratulating themselves on their attendances despite the figure being quoted being much higher than what is visibly there.

Often a figure that they can only achieve having the top tier open and it’s officially closed is used. They also have a go at other teams’ attendances despite their supporters paying much more on average per match ticket.

 

If they were getting 44k-49k with ticket prices at £30 or so, everyone would turn around and say it’s a good turnout. They aren’t though, their average ticket cost is £11 with the top tier closed, and £9 with their top tier open because so many are given away (and not used), and they clearly are getting no more than 30k in attendance.

[Dancing Brave]

19 minutes ago, Menace said:

Imagine if they get knocked out by Coventry in the play offs.

[Fak]

29 minutes ago, Menace said:

Imagine if they get knocked out by Coventry in the play offs.

I’d have been up for that. 

[54]

2 hours ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

And still comfortably 4th. Utterly trash league, worst I can remember. I recall looking at the table a couple of weeks back and the team in 15th place was only about 3 points from the play-offs.

 

Edit - all the way down to QPR in 14th, it's only a 5 point gap to 6th

 

 

 

Surely thats a good thing? Means its a competitive league 

[LionOfGosforth]

1 minute ago, 54 said:

Surely thats a good thing? Means its a competitive league 

 

Competitive without a doubt, just so low on quality it's barely above league 1. Look at the game Birmingham gave us in the cup as compared the Mackems last year.

 

Depends on what you want in a league but imo, the teams in contention to come up should be miles better than those in 15th or 16th and should be in a position to compete when promoted. As proven by the 3 that came up last year, the gap is ridiculous, a chasm.

[wmot]

33 minutes ago, Menace said:

Imagine if they get knocked out by Coventry in the play offs.

Tip them over, that 🤣

[Wallsendmag]

4 minutes ago, 54 said:

Surely thats a good thing? Means its a competitive league 

 

Basically all shite as each other. Just a dreadful league. The 3 promoted teams from last season are currently sitting on a combined -109 goal difference in the Premier League, and the were better than the teams up at the top of the Championship this season.

 

Leicester finished on 97 points, Ipswich 96 and even Southampton managed 89.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Wallsendmag

[LionOfGosforth]

9 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Basically all shite as each other. Just a dreadful league. The 3 promoted teams from last season are currently sitting on a combined -109 goal difference in the Premier League, and the were better than the teams up at the top of the Championship this season.

 

Leicester finished on 97 points, Ipswich 96 and even Southampton managed 89.

 

 

 

 

Aye. Just in the past couple of weeks, Mackems have needed a last minute goal to draw at home to mid-table Watford and lost twice in 5 days this week, one of those to a team 4th bottom. Even if they somehow come up through the playoffs, what's the point? They'll end up with 15 points max. It's a wider problem in that the gap between the two leagues has never been bigger and it's only growing. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by LionOfGosforth

[Groundhog63]

46 minutes ago, Menace said:

Imagine if they get knocked out by Coventry in the play offs.

 

27 minutes ago, Dancing Brave said:

 

 

Glorious

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/sunderland-coventry-jimmy-hill-outrage-15222864.amp

[RS]

scenes at the SOL today

[54]

I'm not going to lie, I absolutely hate it when people say "Its an utter trash league" or something of that ilk, as its not, its the same sort of energy as people saying the Conference League is a waste of time. People seem to forget that it is a second division, of course the quality is going to be less than the Premier League, thats the whole point of the pyramid, but that doesn't mean its terrible. The Premier League is this weird hyper-reality standard of football, that basically any league in the world is going to look poor in comparison, the Championship isn't as polished, players arn't as good, but that means there are more mistakes and more carnage, which ultimately means anyone can beat anyone, which tends to mean its entertaining. 

 

And yes, the chasm between the Premier League and the Championship is getting wider, there isn't any denying that, but that's not the Football League's fault, that's purely at the hands of the Premier League, and the wealth hording that goes on. As there is so much money in the Premier League that its basically next to impossible to compete when teams come up. Like look at Ipswich, they had two incredible seasons, got back to back promotions, and unless they go out an spend £150m they don't  really have a chance, as every other team in the league has a squad of players worth at least £20m each (By comparison the highest ever fee payed by a Championship club was £16M), and if they do speculate to accumulate, oh look, here's a 9 point deduction for have the temerity of trying to compete, like Forest had last season for their spending spree when they first came up. 

 

There are a lot of issue in our game, and basically 99% of it comes from the top. 

[Wolfcastle]

2 hours ago, jonny1403 said:

 

Knock the mackems for whatever you want but them keeping ticket prices low is an odd thing to mock them for.

Its hardly altruistic and 'keeping' tickets cheap. Its because they cant charge more and not get a half empty or worse stadium.

If they had the support they literally like to pretend they have they'd charge more. So I will knock them thanks

[Wallsendmag]

5 minutes ago, 54 said:

I'm not going to lie, I absolutely hate it when people say "Its an utter trash league" or something of that ilk, as its not, its the same sort of energy as people saying the Conference League is a waste of time. People seem to forget that it is a second division, of course the quality is going to be less than the Premier League, thats the whole point of the pyramid, but that doesn't mean its terrible. The Premier League is this weird hyper-reality standard of football, that basically any league in the world is going to look poor in comparison, the Championship isn't as polished, players arn't as good, but that means there are more mistakes and more carnage, which ultimately means anyone can beat anyone, which tends to mean its entertaining. 

 

And yes, the chasm between the Premier League and the Championship is getting wider, there isn't any denying that, but that's not the Football League's fault, that's purely at the hands of the Premier League, and the wealth hording that goes on. As there is so much money in the Premier League that its basically next to impossible to compete when teams come up. Like look at Ipswich, they had two incredible seasons, got back to back promotions, and unless they go out an spend £150m they don't  really have a chance, as every other team in the league has a squad of players worth at least £20m each (By comparison the highest ever fee payed by a Championship club was £16M), and if they do speculate to accumulate, oh look, here's a 9 point deduction for have the temerity of trying to compete, like Forest had last season for their spending spree when they first came up. 

 

There are a lot of issue in our game, and basically 99% of it comes from the top. 

 

The standard of the Championship has never been lower in recent memory. Not sure what the Conference League has to do with that mind.

[Wallsendmag]

https://x.com/JamesCopley_/status/1893348409341276444?t=Oh0QocbsXUwRTzIY64ATpw&s=19

[LionOfGosforth]

4 minutes ago, 54 said:

I'm not going to lie, I absolutely hate it when people say "Its an utter trash league" or something of that ilk, as its not, its the same sort of energy as people saying the Conference League is a waste of time. People seem to forget that it is a second division, of course the quality is going to be less than the Premier League, thats the whole point of the pyramid, but that doesn't mean its terrible. The Premier League is this weird hyper-reality standard of football, that basically any league in the world is going to look poor in comparison, the Championship isn't as polished, players arn't as good, but that means there are more mistakes and more carnage, which ultimately means anyone can beat anyone, which tends to mean its entertaining. 

 

And yes, the chasm between the Premier League and the Championship is getting wider, there isn't any denying that, but that's not the Football League's fault, that's purely at the hands of the Premier League, and the wealth hording that goes on. As there is so much money in the Premier League that its basically next to impossible to compete when teams come up. Like look at Ipswich, they had two incredible seasons, got back to back promotions, and unless they go out an spend £150m they don't  really have a chance, as every other team in the league has a squad of players worth at least £20m each (By comparison the highest ever fee payed by a Championship club was £16M), and if they do speculate to accumulate, oh look, here's a 9 point deduction for have the temerity of trying to compete, like Forest had last season for their spending spree when they first came up. 

 

There are a lot of issue in our game, and basically 99% of it comes from the top. 

 

Fair comment, although I do think the Championship is pretty poor this year and worse than i've seen in the past. Your comment about Ipswich getting back-to-back promotions only serves to highlight there's virtually no gap between the 2 leagues at all so you've got essentially a league 1 side, with a few talented young players, trying to compete in the PL. It's no wonder they're getting obliterated most weeks.

 

The bigger/wider problem, the gap between the leagues, means that promoted teams are almost exclusively going straight back down and that isn't to be celebrated generally, they're all going to end up like Norwich eventually, or worse. It only serves to exacerbate the status quo which we all like to complain about with regards to the big 6 or whatever. What the fix is, I have no idea since the spread of wealth and overall rules regarding spending vs revenue aren't going away.

[Kaizero]

Something that's been grinding my gears for quite a while has been the use of the argument "their announced attendance isn't reflective of the real amount of people that were present in the stadium at the match". There's already tons of actual things one could knock them for, even something fairly close to the "diss" in question, so mocking them for doing what every professional football club in the world does? That feels counter-productive diss-wise.

 

Clubs don't report the real number of people physically present at their stadium during a match, they report the number of tickets that's been sold or given away, regardless of whether or not the people that's bought or received tickets actually show up on the day. 

 

That said, the fact that their fans refuse to acknowledge that reality and choose to die on the hill claiming that the reported number of tickets sold/given away is the same number as the amount of people physically present in the stand during a match. We all have eyes, as do they, so everyone's well aware of the fact that the reported attendance isn't the same as the real attendance on the day. Also, them giving out the amount of tickets for free before each match that they do doesn't help their cause, as their reported attendance continually remain at an artificially high number compared to the amount of people present in the stadium on match day – making their weird masochistic urge to die on a hill where they argue their artificially high attendance number is the genuine number of people that showed up even weirder  

 

But, yeah... all clubs report artificially high attendance and not the genuine number of people physically present in attendance. So knocking them for their club doing that doesn't feel like a good way of mocking them, especially when considering they're offering up a genuine argument to mock them with as they continue to try making an argument for the attendance number reported being the genuine number. They genuinely can't get people to attend their matches when offering the opportunity, for free, to their supposed "fans" – yet nobody actually care enough about them to bother showing up   

 

Feel like I lost track of where I meant to go with this post somewhere around the middle, so apologies in advance if it didn't end up making much sense in the end  

 

[et tu brute]

11 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

Something that's been grinding my gears for quite a while has been the use of the argument "their announced attendance isn't reflective of the real amount of people that were present in the stadium at the match". There's already tons of actual things one could knock them for, even something fairly close to the "diss" in question, so mocking them for doing what every professional football club in the world does? That feels counter-productive diss-wise.

 

Clubs don't report the real number of people physically present at their stadium during a match, they report the number of tickets that's been sold or given away, regardless of whether or not the people that's bought or received tickets actually show up on the day. 

 

That said, the fact that their fans refuse to acknowledge that reality and choose to die on the hill claiming that the reported number of tickets sold/given away is the same number as the amount of people physically present in the stand during a match. We all have eyes, as do they, so everyone's well aware of the fact that the reported attendance isn't the same as the real attendance on the day. Also, them giving out the amount of tickets for free before each match that they do doesn't help their cause, as their reported attendance continually remain at an artificially high number compared to the amount of people present in the stadium on match day – making their weird masochistic urge to die on a hill where they argue their artificially high attendance number is the genuine number of people that showed up even weirder  

 

But, yeah... all clubs report artificially high attendance and not the genuine number of people physically present in attendance. So knocking them for their club doing that doesn't feel like a good way of mocking them, especially when considering they're offering up a genuine argument to mock them with as they continue to try making an argument for the attendance number reported being the genuine number. They genuinely can't get people to attend their matches when offering the opportunity, for free, to their supposed "fans" – yet nobody actually care enough about them to bother showing up   

 

Feel like I lost track of where I meant to go with this post somewhere around the middle, so apologies in advance if it didn't end up making much sense in the end  

 

The difference is that their actual attendance is a few thousand below the actual attendance announced, and as many as 10-15,000 below for midweek games. No other club has that amount of difference 

[Dokko]

2 hours ago, Menace said:

Imagine if they get knocked out by Coventry in the play offs.

 

They've got a few potential banana skin fixtures in the playoffs.

 

Coventry - Jimmy Hill 

WBA - Mowbray

Burnley - Trafford (who seems to hate them as much as we do)

[Chris_R]

58 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

But, yeah... all clubs report artificially high attendance and not the genuine number of people physically present in attendance

 

There's a difference between reporting tickets of people who've not turned up through illness etc who might make up a hundred or so fans, compared to sticking 8,000 tickets in a skip, muttering "well someone might pick a few up?", shrugging, then adding every single one of them onto the gate. 

 

It's not so much what they're doing, but the sheer scale of it to the point where, as has already been said, their average price per ticket is about a tenner. Compare that to all the other clubs in the league.

[Scoot]

1 minute ago, Chris_R said:

 

There's a difference between reporting tickets of people who've not turned up through illness etc who might make up a hundred or so fans, compared to sticking 8,000 tickets in a skip, muttering "well someone might pick a few up?", shrugging, then adding every single one of them onto the gate. 

 

It's not so much what they're doing, but the sheer scale of it to the point where, as has already been said, their average price per ticket is about a tenner. Compare that to all the other clubs in the league.

 

And then to make it even worse, the mackems then using these false attendance figures to gloat to anyone who'll listen about their fantastic attendances even though it's clear to everyone (even themselves I'm sure) that the attendance figures are bullshit. But they've painted themselves as sensational fans so have to peddle the lie themselves.