The Prophet Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Positives We look really fit. There was some good phases of play between defence and midfield again. We controlled the second half until the red card. Miggy carried on his glorious pre-sesson form. Shelvey looked sharp. Joe shows no sign of dropping off from last season. Bondswell looks promising. Negatives The first half midfield left the defence exposed. Pope in no man's land for the first. Trippier looked shakey in defence. Burn caught out for the third. Joelinton needs to calm down, that could easily have been his second red of pre-season. The drop off from ASM and Wilson to Murphy and Wood is frightening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Just now, Skeletor said: Bramble-itis? It's not quite that because Bramble's mistakes were usually catastrophically stupid and more regular than Burn. With Burn it's more like he's done so well, he thinks 'I can do this' because he's been so dominant, then he doesn't and gets punished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Slightly alarmed at how isolated and ineffective Wilson was in that first half. Effectively snubbed out and barely got a kick. Really enjoyed the game though, result isn't that important but it's good to get that level of intensity into friendlies before the season, it'll help. I'd much rather lose that type of game in that type of atmosphere as put 5+ past Walsall and learn zero from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo_11 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, TRon said: Not really understanding the criticism of the ref tbh. Bruno could have been sent off in the first half, and Joelinton's clumsy lunge was absolutely dangerous. Commitment is fine, but this was a friendly, if your studs come into play, your timing has to be 100% accurate. Poor game management from him. The first yellow he wouldn't leave the referee error and then the second yellow he was late to the tackle. It didn't seem the the ref had stopped them game so almost a reaction based on what Otamendi was telling him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Really enjoyed that, despite crying into my Sagres over losing a ‘trophy’. They are by anyone’s standards a good team. Add Joelinton, tbf Shelvey if poss/though Bruno would have been less frantic with his mate alongside, and Willock to the first half line-up (at the expense of Anderson and Longstaff and I’d fancy us to win that. Bondswell played well looked promising too. A bit more threatening and pacy than Targett, though playing against tired legs early on. Wood didn’t do anything to reassure me that were not desperate for a striker. Miggy helped reassure that we’re perhaps not as desperate as we all thought for a goal scoring right winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I dunno what the name for it is but Burn plays like an absolute superhero then seems to make a mistake because it maybe makes him think he's invincible You know, I think he just got done for pace. Good turn and close control and the guy was past him. Happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TRon said: Not really understanding the criticism of the ref tbh. Bruno could have been sent off in the first half, and Joelinton's clumsy lunge was absolutely dangerous. Commitment is fine, but this was a friendly, if your studs come into play, your timing has to be 100% accurate. Nah, bring them back to SJP for a 2nd leg and have Clattenburg as referee is what I say. Edited July 26, 2022 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: The Portuguese Smashy & Nicey were excellent. They were. One of them less informed than the other. Think he was the one who'd been researching a random NUFC fans site and started listing our fav rated players ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howeay Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 35 minutes ago, KaKa said: Chill man, we just played Benfica for goodness sake, and they're further along in their pre season. Can't believe you're already throwing away everything Burn did second half of last season. Now he's not even good enough to be a sub for us? Wow. We can't not ever concede a goal you know. Come on. Opinions, he was at fault for a lot of goals last season, i just don't rate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo_11 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Just now, POOT 2.0 said: Overconfidence? Still, I think Burn is an absolute rock, for the most part. He was caught out, but if we look at being down to 10 men the ball might not even arrived to their player as Murphy had tucked in to cover the gap Joelinton had left and Bondswell ended up having to get pulled out to the left to force them to play. It's a friendly, we learn aspects of squad through these experiences and hopefully can tweak the shape as we move on. We seemed to play a 4-2-3-1 when not in possession which was working until the red card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, POOT 2.0 said: Overconfidence? Still, I think Burn is an absolute rock, for the most part. Maybe that yeah. Don't get me wrong like, I agree that he's been so solid and he's a hell of a back up to have. If he could cut that out of his game, whatever it is, he'd probably keep his place, he's that good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Howeay said: Opinions, he was at fault for a lot of goals last season, i just don't rate him. I don’t recall many glaring errors. The one v Chelsea aside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howeay Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, gdm said: I don’t recall many glaring errors. The one v Chelsea aside Everton the game after, Spurs away when we got walloped, he comes rushing out of position for some reason. Edited July 26, 2022 by Howeay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, KaKa said: Chill man, we just played Benfica for goodness sake, and they're further along in their pre season. Can't believe you're already throwing away everything Burn did second half of last season. Now he's not even good enough to be a sub for us? Wow. We can't not ever concede a goal you know. Come on. I like him, but he made a few individual errors last season. I gave him a pass for Chelsea's goal as it was a sublime touch and finish, but he also came charging out of defence leading to the Everton winner. Happened a couple of other times too, but he got away with it. I'm not taking away the immense amount of positives he brought, such a leadership, solidity and a bit of composure on the ball, but he does have a concentration issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 The one Vs Chelsea is exactly the point as well. Take that away and it was his best performance of the season for us, he was incredible until he lost Havertz. An easy 10 and we were robbed that day, but it was also an incredible ball, touch, and finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 shocked this many people think Burn is shit and hate him because he’s local. worrying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Pata said: Nah, it's the pre-season thread. I know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 A couple of other points: We went toe to toe with a very decent European club and matched them all over, without playing our strongest 11 at any point. I love how nasty we are. We have become that horrible side that argues on the touchline and roughs up opponents. Nobody who plays us gets a free ride. It felt like a European night. Shite refs, diving players, red cards, goals. Looking forward to the real McCoy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howeay Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 He is better than Lascelles but that isn't saying much, it would be nice to have better back up or competition for Schar but i appreciate we can only do so much in each window. He did his part to keep us up but he isn't good enough really moving forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Crazy talk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comegetasample Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Just now, STM said: A couple of other points: We went toe to toe with a very decent European club and matched them all over, without playing our strongest 11 at any point. I love how nasty we are. We have become that horrible side that argues on the touchline and roughs up opponents. Nobody who plays us gets a free ride. It felt like a European night. Shite refs, diving players, red cards, goals. Looking forward to the real McCoy. All of this. What a trajectory the clubs been on in the past 12 months man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Football lasts 90minutes though not 89. I agree with the points being made on bith sides FWIW. I think, I tend to find that on forums or social media people pigeon hole comments and ideas into a simplified debate eg criticism must mean he/she thinks he's shit. That's not the case or at least not always. Most people just see potential flaws and are mentioning them. It's like if you say someone is overrated - people think you're saying they're shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, STM said: A couple of other points: We went toe to toe with a very decent European club and matched them all over, without playing our strongest 11 at any point. I love how nasty we are. We have become that horrible side that argues on the touchline and roughs up opponents. Nobody who plays us gets a free ride. It felt like a European night. Shite refs, diving players, red cards, goals. Looking forward to the real McCoy. Absolutely this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howeay Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Crazy talk What is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Howeay said: He is better than Lascelles but that isn't saying much, it would be nice to have better back up or competition for Schar but i appreciate we can only do so much in each window. He did his part to keep us up but he isn't good enough really moving forward. Burn miles better than Lascelles in every area, he just needs to cut out the daft rush of blood he seems to get once per match. Even with that he's miles better than Lascelles who is shite 99% of the time as opposed Burn's 1% rush of blood moments. Edited July 26, 2022 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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