The College Dropout Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 11 minutes ago, buzza said: I think he was very diplomatic with his comments, he knows that we will sign the next "best in class" available DOF and that processes and people should be able to step up to make sure no momentum is lost. Happens in all companies... Would like the Manc cnuts to pay through the nose for him though! 7-10 mill would be good enough recompense... I think he's less diplomatic here than usual. He's one to lie or be evasive in press conferences. But this was pretty straight down the line for Howe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Brentford’s DOF was mentioned a few weeks ago,Geordie as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just now, The College Dropout said: I think he's less diplomatic here than usual. He's one to lie or be evasive in press conferences. But this was pretty straight down the line for Howe Gave me the feeling that he 100% knows he´s going and just doesn´t want to say anything out of place and look a cu*t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 43 minutes ago, Geogaddi said: Eddie clearly hates the cunt , that's good enough for me . they're going to have a dust up at the school gates at 3 Eddie wins that but apparently Dan's got long nails and is known as a bit of a biter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) That's the benefit of Howe being a very political, predictable speaker. When he veers even slightly off course and doesn't say what you expect him to, you kind of know that the truth lies in what he isn't saying that he normally would and he can communicate it, without having to say it directly and with plausible deniability. He's a very smart bloke. Edited February 16 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 minutes ago, Willow said: they're going to have a dust up at the school gates at 3 Eddie wins that but apparently Dan's got long nails and is known as a bit of a biter Spitter and a shitter anarl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 6 minutes ago, Willow said: they're going to have a dust up at the school gates at 3 Eddie wins that but apparently Dan's got long nails and is known as a bit of a biter Ashworth is absolutely the kind of bloke to hang around watching a fight and kick the lad who's losing from the sidelines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 The instability is never good short term but I think it's a net positive long term in all honesty. We need someone committed to the club's vision and on the same page as the management team. Last summer was a mess in hindsight and left the squad totally unbalanced with loads of full backs and only two forwards. The Hall and Tonali deals were on his watch and if we argue transers aren't on him then we can't really credit him for any of Brighton or West Brom's finds either. He'll be joining that doping guy from the cycling as another of Ratcliffe's old cronies. They'll have to pay a lot if they want him any time soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: That's the benefit of Howe being a very political, predictable speaker. When he veers even slightly off course and doesn't say what you expect him to, you kind of know that the truth lies in what he isn't saying that he normally would and he can communicate it, without having to say it directly and with plausible deniability. He's a very smart bloke. That part of the interview posted above was essentially: Q: How big a blow is it to lose someone so influential? A: Not at all, he's only been here 5 minutes. I do think there's something in the fact that he regularly refers to himself as the manager, despite not being the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Howe is correct though. He’s not been here long enough to make a massive impact. Ashworth may well be one of the best at what he does from the UK.. but globally, how does he rank? I’m sure there’s plenty of operators across Europe who could come in and do an equally good job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upthemags Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Good riddance - under-performed last summer's window. Eddie doesn't seem to fancy him either. I'm assuming any fee/compensation provided us by ManU is revenue for FFP purposes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: That part of the interview posted above was essentially: Q: How big a blow is it to lose someone so influential? A: Not at all, he's only been here 5 minutes. I do think there's something in the fact that he regularly refers to himself as the manager, despite not being the manager. I think this bit is pretty telling too. A statement in the form of a compliment. Key things to note in the compliment: Structure has stayed the same They're working in the same way now as we were during the first transfer window (that he wasn't here for) Edited February 16 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Not bothered in the slightest now and just want some resolution. Yeah, the optics of going to a 'bigger club' aren't great but this happens between other top clubs as is with execs moving about. For Ashworth himself, his role is meant to mitigate 'single points of failure' and over reliance on individuals. This is obviously an art in itself but him leaving shouldn't really leave an immediate hole and, if it does, then there's potentially some blame at his door for not setting that up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Howe’s rinsed Ashworth there, essentially: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamPS Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I hope he stays, this just underlines his abilities. If he leaves the club are now in a position to get a quality replacement however if we already have a top candidate better to keep him than start afresh. Maybe one for PIF to pick up the phone on. They can offer much more than Man Utd in terms of building things - e.g. run a multi club model Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk_lfc Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Multiple things can be true at the same time. Is this a win for Man Utd? Yes. Is this a short term loss for you? Yes. Will you be fine in the medium term? Absolutely. To me the DOF approach's success is more about the owners than the individual DOF. Brighton, Brentford- they all deem to do well even after important people leave. After Edwards left, there was a dip in our transfer hit rate but we seem to have recovered. Your owners seem committed to this model. So you should be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) We have very involved owners via Stavely et al, I wouldn't be surprised if the rumblings from Ashworth about not having as much control as he wanted were true. He would have had much more control at a pre-Ineos Man* Utd where the owners were effectively absent. Edit: the shame Edited February 16 by HawK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Love Eddie from that pc. Couldn't give a toss about Ashworth tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 9 minutes ago, HawK said: We have very involved owners via Stavely et al, I wouldn't be surprised if the rumblings from Ashworth about not having as much control as he wanted were true. He would have had much more control at a pre-Ineos Utd where the owners were effectively absent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Howe basically says nothing has changed since he came in, which I find completely baffling! WTF did we hire him for then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I think from a pure footballing squad sense Eddie is far more valuable to us long term than Ashworth tbh. He took Bournemouth up through the leagues with zero cash. For a club Ashworth can excell at building the structure, something that he's already done here, for a club with limited budget he will keep it on a sound footing (Brighton) but thankfully with our owners we can invest whenever and whatever within our restrictions. Something we don't need years of planning from a DOF to be able to do. The crucial thing for us was getting our scouting and youth set up strong and Ashworth seems to have done some great work in that regard with the staff positions that we have acquired. Long term though Howe will keep us competitive on the pitch with or without Ashworth being here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 29 minutes ago, Dan Gleebals said: Howe basically says nothing has changed since he came in, which I find completely baffling! WTF did we hire him for then! I think he's specifically referring to the first team transfer process. Ashworth has, at minimum, clearly done things around the scouting network and youth teams. Likely current/future training ground planning as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 If Dan Ashworth is as good as we're told, we won't miss Dan Ashworth as everything should be implemented and working, along with a succession plan. The end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Interesting take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Compare the tone to even selling ASM - very different. This is what you get when you spend several hours a day on a NUFC forum.. analysis of tone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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