Rod Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, joeyt said: He may as well have been standing in Gateshead where he was standing for Hudson Odoi's goal Yeah that was poor positioning. He's still head and shoulders above Dubravka. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, Leemond said: Adam Clery is two things, a cunt and correct But the former most importantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, joeyt said: He may as well have been standing in Gateshead where he was standing for Hudson Odoi's goal Can forgive that to some extent. From his position Burn has that covered, so he’s worried about his far post. It looks absolutely fucking shite mind, exacerbated by the play that leads to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I just checked FBref for the last year, and it basically sums the two up. Pope: Dubravka: Pope has better ability at stopping crosses and sweeping, though Dubs isn't actually as bad as I was expecting, Dubravka has a better save percentage, goals against and clean sheet ratio too, so for those who want a goalkeeper to "Be a goalkeeper" Dubravka has actually been better in that metric That said, the difference between their Launch percentage is ridiculous, Pope kicks long over twice the amount that Dubravka does, thats such a big flaw in his game, and you can't be controlling games when you have a keeper doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 CHO is a finesse merchant but even then it's so bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Rod said: You're obsessed with goalkeepers playing great passes. Call me old fashioned but I love a goalkeeper. The clue is in the name, GOALKEEPER. Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti et al are wrong; 1981 is correct. Edited February 23 by Ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 13 minutes ago, joeyt said: I'm sorry like but you've been slagging off Dubravka constantly for ages on here and you absolutely would not have said Dubravka was 'fine' if he put in the performance Pope did today. I think the defence and crowd have more confidence in Dubravka's kicking than Pope. It's a huge issue for us Go back and read my comment in the thread from the first goal we conceded. Whilst you're at it, go and read my comments on Dubravka in recent weeks. Dubravka had a good run of games for us, but you cannot ignore that he faced so few shots in that run of games. He did well with what little he had to do though, and his kicking was obviously much better than Pope's. But he has severe limitations which haven't gone away. He doesn't command his box well - which I would bet was the reason Pope came back in today - and he does not sweep behind the defence to allow us to play further up the pitch. Pope makes the saves Dubravka does and then makes more saves he just isn't good enough to make. It is frustrating that Pope dropped a fucking shambolic clanger almost immediately today. But, outside his kicking, he was fine otherwise. If Pope drops more clangers like that in quick succession, then we can have this discussion. I'm glad Howe has got him back in goal for the rest of the season. I don't think he is the same standard of goalkeeper post injury, but he is still our best goalkeeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 The Schar as a DM experiment never took off so let’s try playing him in goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, David Edgar said: Go back and read my comment in the thread from the first goal we conceded. Whilst you're at it, go and read my comments on Dubravka in recent weeks. Dubravka had a good run of games for us, but you cannot ignore that he faced so few shots in that run of games. He did well with what little he had to do though, and his kicking was obviously much better than Pope's. But he has severe limitations which haven't gone away. He doesn't command his box well - which I would bet was the reason Pope came back in today - and he does not sweep behind the defence to allow us to play further up the pitch. Pope makes the saves Dubravka does and then makes more saves he just isn't good enough to make. It is frustrating that Pope dropped a fucking shambolic clanger almost immediately today. But, outside his kicking, he was fine otherwise. If Pope drops more clangers like that in quick succession, then we can have this discussion. I'm glad Howe has got him back in goal for the rest of the season. I don't think he is the same standard of goalkeeper post injury, but he is still our best goalkeeper. Best keeper at the club BY FAR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, 54 said: I just checked FBref for the last year, and it basically sums the two up. Pope: Dubravka: Pope has better ability at stopping crosses and sweeping, though Dubs isn't actually as bad as I was expecting, Dubravka has a better save percentage, goals against and clean sheet ratio too, so for those who want a goalkeeper to "Be a goalkeeper" Dubravka has actually been better in that metric That said, the difference between their Launch percentage is ridiculous, Pope kicks long over twice the amount that Dubravka does, thats such a big flaw in his game, and you can't be controlling games when you have a keeper doing that. You need to filter to this season and Pope actually drops off loads compared to last season, whilst Dubravka is doing much better. But Pope is still comfortably ahead on defensive actions outside the area. And Pope is still slightly ahead on crosses stopped, save percentage and the XG saved stat. So Dubravka doing better than his previous season and Pope has regressed, but is statistically still better outside his kicking. And that is with his errors and obvious drop-off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I think it’s negligible between the two of them these days tbh, which is a sad indictment of Pope. We will upgrade in the summer and it will make a big difference imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, David Edgar said: You need to filter to this season I had no idea you could do that, game changer that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 It’s a howler from Pope. No doubt about it. He was decent enough otherwise. Bur the irony is Dubravka can’t dive to his right and waved in similarly crap strikes against Bromley and City. I love Pope. But we do need to upgrade if we can. I think there are other areas that need attention first. But sounds like our minds have been made up with Trafford. Which is fair enough really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, 54 said: I had no idea you could do that, game changer that. Select View Complete Scouting Report and then you can filter by season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Pope's first season with us was obscenely good We just didn't pass him the ball and when he got the ball, he booted it miles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Pope is streets ahead of Dubs as a keeper. He’s useless with his feet so we need to recognise that when we play out. Pope’s keeping abilities will win us more games than Dubs’ distribution skills. Pope got caught too deep in his box for their goal because Murphy dropped a clanger that had the whole defensive out of shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCOCOL Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 26 minutes ago, Rod said: Yeah that was poor positioning. He's still head and shoulders above Dubravka. Literally … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 this cunt play in crocs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC91 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Why's he doing that thing now were he punches routine catches over or away. Swear he used to claim the ball in his first season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I think today highlights that both our main keepers have weaknesses that we really need to improve upon. Pope is the better shot stopper, aside from their 1st goal today. Dubravka is better at coming out for the ball, and with his feet. Ultimately, if we want to step up to the next level, it’s another position where we need to improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandrotastico Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Think I'd go Dubravka right now. Think he deserved to keep the shirt, and I'm no big fan of either. The first today was a shocker from Pope and he did'nt look great in general. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I think when we're up against it we need Pope in goal as he has much better command of his area, control on crosses and doesn't stay routed to his goal line. However, when we play out from the back and are trying to play around a press Dubz is by far the better player and you can see the players feel that too and I'm not just talking about long balls, his close control and short passing under pressure from the opposition is much better than Pope too. Tough one really because both have a good claim to start but both have glaring issues that could cost us games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Commanded his box fairly well but felt he should have done better for the first goal and his kicking was shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, Heron said: Commanded his box fairly well but felt he should have done better for the first goal and his kicking was shite. It’s quite obvious he’s not confident with his feet but his quick play out with his hands started off two of our goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, RodneyCisse said: It’s quite obvious he’s not confident with his feet but his quick play out with his hands started off two of our goals. This does deserve more attention, he has a class throw on him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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