madras Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, maze said: Yes. You seem to forget our ‘wonderful’ record of buying Manure rejects. Ok. I wouldn't be put off buying someone from somewhere because previous buys from there didn't work out. FWIW I don't rate him but if someone at the club who probably knows a damn sight more than me does I'm not going to throw too much of a tantrum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, LV said: You got any theories on who at NUFC is an admirer? Reports i've seen suggest Howe is the main admirer. Which is a little worrying. I feel like (noted, not seen in reports) that Howe was big proponent of the Gordon signing which I never liked. It's me looking at his Bournemouth days. He seemed to spend big money on youth from the PL which didn't work in the main. Solanke, Ibe spring to mind but Ake did. But it seems to be some type of transfer team / committee with multiple inputs and sign-off and price points etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, madras said: I wouldn't be put off buying someone from somewhere because previous buys from there didn't work out. FWIW I don't rate him but if someone at the club who probably knows a damn sight more than me does I'm not going to throw too much of a tantrum. You're a big man that has watched football for a long time. You're entitled to your own opinion without throwing tantrums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 For what it's worth, I can understand why someone like Howe would like a player like McTominay, he's someone who is similar to Longstaff, a work horse who can be the link between defense and attack. @Froggycould probably tell say more, but I'd imagine he'd be an upgrade on Longstaff, even if that is just quicker passing and better shooting ability. I think he'd be uninspiring, and that we could do better, but I get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) So what we looking at next season then lads... ----------------Pope---------------- Trippier---Schar---Maguire---Burn ---Longstaff---McTominay---Willock ---Almiron---Wilson---Joelinton--- Bench: Karius, Ashby, Krafth, Targett, Gordon, Isak, Jota Injured: Tierney Edited March 9, 2023 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jack27 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Prophet said: So what we looking at next season then lads... ----------------Pope---------------- Trippier---Schar---Maguire---Burn ---Longstaff---McTominay---Willock ---Almiron---Wilson---Joelinton--- Bench: Karius, Ashby, Krafth, Burn, Gordon, Isak, Jota Injured: Tierney Burn starting and on the bench? Never doubt him again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 26 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Reports i've seen suggest Howe is the main admirer. Which is a little worrying. I feel like (noted, not seen in reports) that Howe was big proponent of the Gordon signing which I never liked. It's me looking at his Bournemouth days. He seemed to spend big money on youth from the PL which didn't work in the main. Solanke, Ibe spring to mind but Ake did. But it seems to be some type of transfer team / committee with multiple inputs and sign-off and price points etc. Solanke just needed a bit more time, hes a decent player now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jack27 said: Burn starting and on the bench? Never doubt him again My bad, fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Sick burn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, The Prophet said: So what we looking at next season then lads... ----------------Pope---------------- Trippier---Schar---Maguire---Burn ---Longstaff---McTominay---Willock ---Almiron---Wilson---Joelinton--- Bench: Karius, Ashby, Krafth, Targett, Gordon, Isak, Jota Injured: Tierney Are we confident Ashby will be match fit by then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Kimbo said: Are we confident Ashby will be match fit by then? Too soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said: Yeah, Kaka the other day. It was purely a 'I trust the people making the decisions more than everyone else' - I don't think anyone has been bold enough to openly say he would be a good buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 33 minutes ago, TRC said: Solanke just needed a bit more time, hes a decent player now. Ibe is the only real dud signing in his history and that's been reported as being largely down to his own demons with depression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixx Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Howe doesn't seem very keen on buying foreign players from abroad does he? Only did so a handful of times at Bournemouth. Has of course brought in Bruno, Isak and Botman but it seems like the players we're continually linked with are either UK born or have considerable PL experience. I think I can also confidently assume that Isak and Botman spoke good English on arrival while Bruno barely spoke any and was blooded very slowly into the team. Maybe English proficiency is something he places a lot of emphasis on. Just a thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said: Yeah, Kaka the other day. Prove it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, sixx said: Howe doesn't seem very keen on buying foreign players from abroad does he? Only did so a handful of times at Bournemouth. Has of course brought in Bruno, Isak and Botman but it seems like the players we're continually linked with are either UK born or have considerable PL experience. I think I can also confidently assume that Isak and Botman spoke good English on arrival while Bruno barely spoke any and was blooded very slowly into the team. Maybe English proficiency is something he places a lot of emphasis on. Just a thought. I wouldn't read into press links too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, sixx said: Howe doesn't seem very keen on buying foreign players from abroad does he? Only did so a handful of times at Bournemouth. Has of course brought in Bruno, Isak and Botman but it seems like the players we're continually linked with are either UK born or have considerable PL experience. I think I can also confidently assume that Isak and Botman spoke good English on arrival while Bruno barely spoke any and was blooded very slowly into the team. Maybe English proficiency is something he places a lot of emphasis on. Just a thought. He definitely seems to be prioritising Premier League experience, only then pivoting to foreign options when the options here are not feasible for one reason or the other. Looked like we were looking at DCL ahead of Isak at one point, with his injury issues causing us to move away from him, just as another example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 24 minutes ago, sixx said: Howe doesn't seem very keen on buying foreign players from abroad does he? Only did so a handful of times at Bournemouth. Has of course brought in Bruno, Isak and Botman but it seems like the players we're continually linked with are either UK born or have considerable PL experience. I think I can also confidently assume that Isak and Botman spoke good English on arrival while Bruno barely spoke any and was blooded very slowly into the team. Maybe English proficiency is something he places a lot of emphasis on. Just a thought. Someone described it on here a couple of days back as NUFC's Brexit transfer policy. I can understand it to some extent, Howe probably wants to work with players who will follow his blueprint, maybe PL players are more willing to do that from the off. My concern is we might be missing out on the really good players available from around the world by limiting ourselves to the likes of - for example - McTominay. Yes it will be an improvement, but not top four improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) I think Howe just probably thinks it will allow us to progress quicker having a strong base of Prem experienced players initially, until we become a bit more established. I think the value abroad is always so much better, and the midfield options we have been linked with abroad are so much more interesting IMO i.e. the likes of Ugarte and Alvarez just as two quick examples that are McTominay type combative midfielders. However, we'll just have to let Howe do his thing and probably have one of these Prem preferences flop, so he gets it out of his system. Unless of course they come in and they do better under him with his tutelage. It will work itself out. Edited March 9, 2023 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) Solanke was a dud for Howe. Looking at his transfer record: benik afobe - €14m Mings - €12m (massive shame for Howe) Max Gradel - €10m Ibe - €18m Ake - €23m Begovic - €12m Lerma - €31m true forrin solanke - €22m Rico - €15m true forrin Mepham - €13m Brooks - €12m Billing - €17m Danjuma - €17m true forrin Kelly - €15m It’s a patchy record man. Strong preference for British football experience. Willing to pay that premium. Most of these are pretty talented tbf. The foreign signings mostly flopped too. Gordon and McTominay for £70m combined isn’t a massive jump away from the above. Edited March 9, 2023 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 You think Ashworth has come from Brighton where you get 4 Ecuadoreans for the price of a Solanke. So I hope there’s a blend in our approach. Your Milners, Barry’s, Bellamy, Lescott, even the evil lad contributed a lot to City climbing the league. But it’s the Yaya and Silva and Aguero signings that took it over the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Fair points raised above, but... 1) Most of our transfers have been hits to date. Without reopening the Wood debate, he served his purpose and we recouped a fair bit of his original fee. Isak the jury is still out on, but given time and a decent run in the team I'm sure he'll be great. All involved have earned the benefit of the doubt. 2) Ashworth has said himself that Howe isn't signing off on transfers. He is one of three (along with Nickson and Ashworth himself) who are consulted, but agreement is needed from all three before they pursue a target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) Yeh all fair. Although I think only Pope is certified top 6 material from the players signed from English clubs. Bournemouth aside. There will be some good to great pickups available from relegated teams this season. Edited March 9, 2023 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 2 hours ago, maze said: Yes. You seem to forget our ‘wonderful’ record of buying Manure rejects. Ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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