RobsonsWonderland Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 41 minutes ago, Erikse said: So if Man United and Liverpool didn't underachieve, we would've needed 80 points for top 4? That has never happened before. The highest in latest years is 75p being Liverpool at 4th, 71p would be enough for most seasons. I don't get this "if every team would've performed" thing.. That never happens. No the question was about Arsenals sudden rise.. I just personally feel that as well as they played they also got the added benefit of other teams under performing.. much like the year Leicester won the league with 81 points. or put it another way similar to Spurs in the Leicester season..I don't think they will get a better chance of winning it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Shields Gazette pushing the Raphinha link again but looks like a regurgitation of earlier reports from dubious sources. The formidable SportWitness publication linking us with Melo and Arthur. ManU won't loan us Maguire according to whatever the fuck this is. Lean, lean times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, SteV said: Tbf there’s at least three Turkish barbers on Westgate Road. There's about 10 in Stanley, and before you ask, no it has nothing to do with money laundering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: By spending a fortune the last 3 years. And having £150m worth of talent come out the academy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I think if the deals were similar in fees and wages, id go for Pavard over Tierney. Pavards name is being thrown about but I'm not sureif Bayern would allow him to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 2 hours ago, RobsonsWonderland said: Because Liverpool, Chelsea and Man U all under achieved last year? I mean we benefitted as well but Arsenal might not have been the story if Liverpool got their normal 90+ points second place Their 84 point haul was legit as were the performances. chelsea haven’t touched 80+ points since Conte. Man U haven’t touched 84 points since Fergie. 40 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said: No the question was about Arsenals sudden rise.. I just personally feel that as well as they played they also got the added benefit of other teams under performing.. much like the year Leicester won the league with 81 points. or put it another way similar to Spurs in the Leicester season..I don't think they will get a better chance of winning it. Aye but Leicester won the league with 81 points. That’s the lowest total since Mourinho came to the league I reckon. 84 points is usually enough for 2nd except those 2 seasons Liverpool ran City close with 90+ points. The no CL football was a massive advantage for Arsenal. Any regression will be in large part down to that. They were also fortunate that most of their attackers stayed injury free except GJ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 22 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: And having £150m worth of talent come out the academy. And that aye. It should definitely not be a surprise they're competing for the top 2/3 spots. Didn't get the plucky underdog tale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Surely if the league is more competitive and teams are taking more points off one another, then the overall points haul will be lower? Unless the gap grows further between top ten teams and bottom ten and then there will be higher points totals to get top 4 and lower points totals to avoid relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Would you swap Maguire with Lascelles if the offer was there and they were willing to do it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr Jinx said: Would you swap Maguire with Lascelles if the offer was there and they were willing to do it? Absolutely not. Lascelles is limited but is aware of it and put some decent performances off the bench and where he had to step in last season. Maguire is a genuine calamity on massive wages who thinks he’s Maldini. I know it’s a never gonna happen hypothetical question but it’s a definite no from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, alexf said: Surely if the league is more competitive and teams are taking more points off one another, then the overall points haul will be lower? Unless the gap grows further between top ten teams and bottom ten and then there will be higher points totals to get top 4 and lower points totals to avoid relegation. Yes, the fact that more teams are fighting for the top spots also means that there are more difficult games to play. That's why the average points needed for top 4 hasn't gone up drastically despite the fact that more teams are competitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Would you swap Maguire with Lascelles if the offer was there and they were willing to do it? Maguire is not good with a high line because of his pace. I think that's partly why he's playing better for England. I don't think he would fit in a high pressing team like us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Wouldn’t trade Lascelles impact to the dressing room if he never played for handful or two of Harry Maguire on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Would you swap Maguire with Lascelles if the offer was there and they were willing to do it? I'd rather support another side than see Maguire in a Newcastle kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Shearergol said: I'd rather support another side than see Maguire in a Newcastle kit. Why? ? I mean I’m not advocating signing him, but the general reaction to the possibility seems very OTT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Maguire is considerably better than Lascelles, he just doesn’t have the attributes we would want if we were looking to upgrade on Schar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Just wouldn't want Maguire here because of the circus around him. We should be buying players on the up without any baggage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, SteV said: Why? ? I mean I’m not advocating signing him, but the general reaction to the possibility seems very OTT. I would hazard a guess that he would expect first choice which would mean dislodging two fan favourites for a player seen as a bit of joke figure (admittedly unfairly quite a bit of the time). And that would come at the cost of breaking our wage structure you’d think so he have that held against him. Our budget if not small has no room to be wasted so I think a bit like Gordon it would be questioned if money could’ve been spent better. My main concerns are he lacks the one thing we require at the back (rapid pace) and is just more of the same. That and he could go jail though due to his money and occupation he’ll probably wriggle out of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, The Prophet said: Does the £15 million for Chris Wood add to the £75 million kitty or was it already included? being checked by the fraud squad and ffp first. uefa and PL dont believe we got £15m for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 The whispers seem to think Maguire was one of the main culprits to be leaking stuff about team mates and managers when he wasn't getting his way, so don't think there are any positives at all to the theoretical move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, dcmk said: The whispers seem to think Maguire was one of the main culprits to be leaking stuff about team mates and managers when he wasn't getting his way, so don't think there are any positives at all to the theoretical move. I thought that was supposed to be Lingard? Or is it whoever fans want to make a scapegoat at any given time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, LFEE said: I would hazard a guess that he would expect first choice which would mean dislodging two fan favourites for a player seen as a bit of joke figure (admittedly unfairly quite a bit of the time). And that would come at the cost of breaking our wage structure you’d think so he have that held against him. Our budget if not small has no room to be wasted so I think a bit like Gordon it would be questioned if money could’ve been spent better. My main concerns are he lacks the one thing we require at the back (rapid pace) and is just more of the same. That and he could go jail though due to his money and occupation he’ll probably wriggle out of. Some very fair points there, and as I say, I’m certainly no advocate for signing him, but he’s still a current England international, and club captain at a team who (only just) finished above us. Obvious questions about the value for money any kind of deal would provide, but he’s hardly some useless donkey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, SteV said: Some very fair points there, and as I say, I’m certainly no advocate for signing him, but he’s still a current England international, and club captain at a team who (only just) finished above us. Obvious questions about the value for money any kind of deal would provide, but he’s hardly some useless donkey. This. Don't get me wrong. I don't want him, and don't rate him as better than either Botman or Schar. But his descent into becoming a comedy figure means it gets overlooked that he is actually pretty decent. We can turn our noses up at him, given what we have and our potential resources to upgrade at CB down the line, fanbases like Villa absolutely shouldn't be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Desperately need some good rumours, else we will continue to debate the merits of &*££&" Maguire and McTominay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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