Still not worthy of a thread

[Kanj]

Toddy boy said the 200m could find the efl! Not likely I agree. 
 

nba, nfl and mlb all star games are equal parts trash as it’s equal parts fun but there are people who enjoy it and it generates a ton of buzz and fan engagement and interaction. I found as a kid i loved them. Players themselves take pride making those games and being selected. It’s an honor so to speak. 

[TheBrownBottle]

9 minutes ago, Kanji said:

What if this 200m all star kitty fed the homeless? Or supported building community centers to help underprivileged? What if this happened after the season ended and it was just a a very fun and light event at that? Place for kids and such to see their heros?  

 

Why does this always have to be so dramatic? Every suggestion met with such vitriol “you Americans don’t know anything about us!”
 

it’s a suggestion the silly weirdo made on some panel at some conference. Ain’t ever happening anyway! 

There's no chance it would raise anything like 200m.  No-one would give a solitary shite - a bunch of players you don't like playing a friendly for two sides who don't exist outside of that friendly.

 

Also, football is a pyramid - unlike US sports and their franchise system, the 'North' and the 'South' may have a very skewed look depending on who is in the PL that season.  This year, it would just about work if the midlands teams are considered 'Northern'.

 

For the best part of a century, a 'Football League XI' played friendlies each year against other Football League XIs.  No-one cared or watched, which is why it was canned.

 

We all hate everyone else's clubs and players - for many of us, that dislike doesn't even end when those players play for England etc.  

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Toddy boy said the 200m could find the efl! Not likely I agree. 
 

nba, nfl and mlb all star games are equal parts trash as it’s equal parts fun but there are people who enjoy it and it generates a ton of buzz and fan engagement and interaction. I found as a kid i loved them. Players themselves take pride making those games and being selected. It’s an honor so to speak. 

I wonder if the lack of international competition makes those 'All Star Games' more enticing?  Here in Oz, 'State of Origin' in rugby league is massive.  Mainly because only England, PNG and NZ actually play RL at any kind of decent level.  No-one seriously plays gridiron outside the US, Japan plays baseball, and basketball is reasonably played in small Eastern European countries

[Kanj]

This is my example of how stupid the reaction is:

 

first off he didn’t make any of those points and they aren’t even done in MLS. Some were before and the American fans and players hated it. Take me out to the ball game is a strictly baseball thing. So no. And Holt himself is a fucking imbecile to begin with. 
 

This shit goes both ways too. 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by Kanji

[Disco]

Oliver Dolt is a genuine fucking moron but seeing him wind up the ‘Any American Billionaire X Ultras’ makes me  like Prince Charlie never could. 
 

Repulsed by absolutely everyone for different reasons. A unique talent.
 

Not unlike Todd Baldy’s hunger for money by any means necessary on his investment. As see through as anything .

[Pata]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

basketball is reasonably played in small Eastern European countries

 

It's big pretty much everywhere, only behind football iirc.

[GideonShandy]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

'Bob Lord was right'

 The first chant I ever remember hearing live at a home game was "Bob Lord's a bastard" (against Burnley, obviously). Would have been early 60s when I was a little kid. Didn't have much idea who Bob Lord was, and no idea of why he was a bastard, but joined in enthusiastically anyway.

[TheBrownBottle]

22 minutes ago, Pata said:

 

It's big pretty much everywhere, only behind football iirc.

No country internationally plays at close to the level that the Americans do.  A basketball WC would be utterly pointless - at club level, there would be no point in a European Cup / Copa Libertadores equivalent; NBA teams would be lightyears ahead of every other nation's teams.

 

That's not to suggest that loads of kids worldwide don't play and enjoy it - I enjoyed playing it when I was a kid.  But I have read that 'soccer' is the most played games of early schoolers in the US - that doesn't lead to mass popularity later on, of course.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Kanji said:

This is my example of how stupid the reaction is:

 

first off he didn’t make any of those points and they aren’t even done in MLS. Some were before and the American fans and players hated it. Take me out to the ball game is a strictly baseball thing. So no. And Holt himself is a fucking imbecile to begin with. 
 

This shit goes both ways too. 

 

 

 

Boelhy's ideas were shite because they were shite; they came about because he's think about money, not because he's 'Americanising' the sport.  Holt just comes across as a little Englander.  Fucking hell the man is dislikeable

[Kanj]

59 minutes ago, Disco said:

Oliver Dolt is a genuine fucking moron but seeing him wind up the ‘Any American Billionaire X Ultras’ makes me  like Prince Charlie never could. 
 

Repulsed by absolutely everyone for different reasons. A unique talent.
 

Not unlike Todd Baldy’s hunger for money by any means necessary on his investment. As see through as anything .

He’s not winding anybody up. Giving him too much Credit. He’s the old guy in the pub who’s telling people that’s what Americans want in football when none of us do. 

[Pata]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

No country internationally plays at close to the level that the Americans do.  A basketball WC would be utterly pointless - at club level, there would be no point in a European Cup / Copa Libertadores equivalent; NBA teams would be lightyears ahead of every other nation's teams.

 

That's not to suggest that loads of kids worldwide don't play and enjoy it - I enjoyed playing it when I was a kid.  But I have read that 'soccer' is the most played games of early schoolers in the US - that doesn't lead to mass popularity later on, of course.

 

Of course but your post read to me like basketball is only played in USA and few Eastern European countries. USA is always the favourite and could send 30 good teams but it's played everywhere and the best players in the world are not only Americans (Antetokounmpo, Jokic and Doncic right now probably in the top 5). There is a basketball WC and it's big in every other country even if USA don't always send the best team. Think you are disrespecting the European club teams a bit too, NBA teams have 52 wins and 13 losses against European teams in the past two decades but are only 16-9 in Europe even if they are glorified pre-season games.

 

American football is it's own thing but I don't think you can compare basketball even to sports like rugby, cricket and baseball which are legit sports in only a handful countries.

 

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by Pata

[TheBrownBottle]

20 minutes ago, Pata said:

 

Of course but your post read to me like basketball is only played in USA and few Eastern European countries. USA is always the favourite and could send 30 good teams but it's played everywhere and the best players in the world are not only Americans (Antetokounmpo, Jokic and Doncic right now probably in the top 5). There is a basketball WC and it's big in every other country even if USA don't always send the best team. Think you are disrespecting the European club teams a bit too, NBA teams have 52 wins and 13 losses against European teams in the past two decades but are only 16-9 in Europe even if they are glorified pre-season games.

 

American football is it's own thing but I don't think you can compare basketball even to sports like rugby, cricket and baseball which are legit sports in only a handful countries.

 

 

 

I accept some of your points, but cricket is the national sport (both playing and attending) for all the countries in the entire Indian subcontinent - that's a quarter of the world's population.  It is absolutely comparable to basketball's popularity worldwide.

[cubaricho]

 

[BlazeT44]

12 hours ago, cubaricho said:

The soccer all-star game is always a torrid affair but in other sports (mostly baseball and basketball) it’s quite good. Offers a nice little mid season break for a lot of players too. It also raises the profile for a lot of the fringe-team players so ie: players like ASM would get a run out from us and it helps pull the spotlight our (and his) way a bit. 
 

I wouldn’t be wholly against the concept of it out of hand but it would have to be done the right way for it to be useful/successful. Especially if the $$ it brought in was used for helping out the football pyramid. 

 

The NHL All Star game is boring and a joke. The skills competitions prior to it are mildly entertaining -- such as fastest skater and hardest shot.

 

The NFL All Star game is utter dross. The players hate it and they all use it as a holiday. The game resembles nothing of a NFL game.

 

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by BlazeT44

[Kid Icarus]

6 hours ago, Kanji said:

He’s not winding anybody up. Giving him too much Credit. He’s the old guy in the pub who’s telling people that’s what Americans want in football when none of us do. 

There was a conversation on here not that long ago about how we should adopt parts of American sport and the 'match day experience' in particular. Holt might be a prick and his examples might be ridiculous, but the principle of there being an air of arrogance about what we should 'improve' because there couldn't possibly be anyone who doesn't think what the U.S do is better, is very much true.

 

Disagreeing that it's better was framed as anti-Americanism and arrogance in itself as well.

[54]

6 hours ago, Pata said:

 

Of course but your post read to me like basketball is only played in USA and few Eastern European countries. USA is always the favourite and could send 30 good teams but it's played everywhere and the best players in the world are not only Americans (Antetokounmpo, Jokic and Doncic right now probably in the top 5). There is a basketball WC and it's big in every other country even if USA don't always send the best team. Think you are disrespecting the European club teams a bit too, NBA teams have 52 wins and 13 losses against European teams in the past two decades but are only 16-9 in Europe even if they are glorified pre-season games.

 

American football is it's own thing but I don't think you can compare basketball even to sports like rugby, cricket and baseball which are legit sports in only a handful countries.

 

 

 

I get your point, but cricket it the second most popular sport worldwide behind Football, so feels weird to use that as an example

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

They’d insist on playing the game at Wembo anyway. Be the same issue as England playing Moldova there on a Wednesday night. A fart on for the majority of the country - those who are actually bothered - to attend.

[ponsaelius]

I'm all for dunking on US sports and culture but tbf to basketball it's the one US sport that is genuinely international with high participation globally. The US are miles ahead obviously but have had their noses busted at the Olympics in the past and European basketball is a pretty good standard. 

 

After football it's definitely the most genuinely global team sport - just an extremely distant 2nd place.

 

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by ponsaelius

[Yorkie]

What's wrong with the relegation play-off idea anyway? Anything to increase completion within the division should be seen as a good thing, surely?

[ponsaelius]

7 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I accept some of your points, but cricket is the national sport (both playing and attending) for all the countries in the entire Indian subcontinent - that's a quarter of the world's population.  It is absolutely comparable to basketball's popularity worldwide.

 

To be honest that is kind of akin to saying Go is a worldwide global game because over a billion people in China know it and tens of millions play it.

 

I like cricket but it's not a fundamentally global sport in terms of appeal IMO - its participation is basically a direct overlay of former British colonisation. There just happens to be over a billion people in those 4 countries that resulted from the Raj.

 

Basketball has a more global spread, and even when it's not the most popular sport there is a lot of cases where it is in the top 3-4 sports played in that country or at least has some footing. Cricket by comparison has no footing whatsoever in lots of countries outside of small expat communities. This is similar to football's appeal - although again a distant 2nd place.

[thomas]

8 hours ago, Kanji said:

He’s not winding anybody up. Giving him too much Credit. He’s the old guy in the pub who’s telling people that’s what Americans want in football when none of us do. 

The kind of old guy who starts every other sentence with "you know what the problem with [nationality] is?"

 

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by thomas

[Chapo]

Heard he wants concussion substitutes every time a player heads the ball. Madness. 

[Pata]

2 hours ago, 54 said:

I get your point, but cricket it the second most popular sport worldwide behind Football, so feels weird to use that as an example

Ponsaelius already said everything but I just don’t see cricket as a global sport like football and basketball are. 

[The College Dropout]

The PL could do with a play-off game. But not for the 3rd relegation spot.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

What's wrong with the relegation play-off idea anyway? Anything to increase completion within the division should be seen as a good thing, surely?

 

Something like either the losing Championship Play-Off Finalist or the team who finished 3rd if they didn't win promotion, playing 17th place in the Premier League in a promotion/relegation Play-Off away from home as sort of a ,'one last chance to show you're worthy of promotion' match might be good.