Pata Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 I honestly don't think Pardew had much to do with the 5th place season. He was given really good players and we were extremely lucky and overachieved all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 Was it not from when he was complicit in ousting our beloved Chris Hughton for seemingly no good football reason at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 1 minute ago, Pandamninator said: The search function is like the Ark of the Covenant... best left alone. I recall you taking a very anti Keegan/pro Ashley stance for a couple of years there. I’m not suggesting the death penalty for people who have been wrong in the past. I’ve certainly been. I just think we should all own up to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 Our GD in the 11/12 season should have been something of an amber/red flag that it might not be sustainable, and a lot of it was down to individual brilliance and luck. At the time though, most of us were ecstatic to be competing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 Just now, oldtype said: I’m not suggesting the death penalty for people who have been wrong in the past. I’ve certainly been. I just think we should all own up to it Can’t say I’ve seen you do that very often in the last couple of years though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 1 minute ago, Rich said: Was it not from when he was complicit in ousting our beloved Chris Hughton for seemingly no good football reason at all? I mean that didn't help but that's not necessarily his fault tbh - moreso Ashley's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 Just now, Pata said: I honestly don't think Pardew had much to do with the 5th place season. He was given really good players and we were extremely lucky and overachieved all season. Cannot say that man. Like when ranieri supposedly done nowt when Leicester won the title. Pardew had the team full of confidence love him or hate him you have to give him that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 (edited) Bit weird folk putting a whole season down to luck like Anyways...this is the ISAK thread. Edited August 10, 2025 by Heron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 Last word on that season we were clinical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 14 minutes ago, Mike said: If I'm in the archives liking Pardew I will Terminator myself. I just spent a cursory couple of minutes looking and the only thing I could find was "Pardew should coach the knicks" and I have no idea if thats praise or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 1 minute ago, Pata said: I honestly don't think Pardew had much to do with the 5th place season. He was given really good players and we were extremely lucky and overachieved all season. We were one season removed from the championship and we played half the season with Ryan Taylor at left back. That was by far the most talented Ashley era squad, but there’s no way in hell it was talented enough to walk us to fifth “despite” the manager. (As is evidenced by the fact that most of them turned to shit shortly thereafter.) It was struck-by-lightning level lucky, yes. But its revisionist history to say he had nothing to do with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said: Our GD in the 11/12 season should have been something of an amber/red flag that it might not be sustainable, and a lot of it was down to individual brilliance and luck. At the time though, most of us were ecstatic to be competing. I've never found any free advanced data from that far but remember reading how that season by us was used as an example of extreme overachieving relating to xG on some seminars few years ago. It was a funny season and we had some amazing likeable players but ending up 5th was really lucky. You only have to look at Cisse's goal reel from that season to see it was never going to be sustainable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 1 minute ago, Heron said: Bit weird folk putting a whole season down to luck like Anyways...this is the ISAK thread. I think around 58 points would have probably been expected for the season we had rather than the 65. Still would have been a really good season considering. We were competitive and confident, but we had a pretty low GD for a 65 point team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis H Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 7 points off relegation 5th 5 points off relegation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 I have no way of verifying but you have to assume that Cisse for that half season has to be somewhere near the top of the all time individual xG over performance list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 Could just put the Pardew thing down to him doing a good job that year, but its the exception that proves the rule. Bit like Sir Bobby had the one bad season but that was the exception too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kooiman Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 5 minutes ago, Facundo Ferreyra said: One of my favourite stories about how much of a cunt Pardew is is from an ex-West Ham photographer's book: Hide contents ‘Let me tell you a story. In fact, it’s called the ‘King story’ among those who were present and who believe it’s a perfect example of Pardew’s arrogance. We were staying at a hotel in the North East ahead of a game at Sunderland during Alan’s first season in charge and were about to have our Friday evening meal…I sat down with Pardew…and fitness coach Tony Strudwick, who now works for Manchester United and has done very well for himself. We ordered our meals and suddenly Pardew asked us all what were were having. I think Eddie said he’d gone for the chicken, while I’d chosen the steak. ‘Pards then turned to Struds, who revealed whatever it was he’d asked for. ‘That sounds good,’ said Pards. ‘Tell you what; if yours is better than mine when it turns up, I’m having that. That was one of the things he’d always say: I’m having that. ‘See that bloke’s haircut. I’m having that.’ He said it all the time. Anyway, I wasn’t ‘having that’ at all. So I said ‘Well, you’re certainly not having my dinner. You’ll get a fork in the back of your hand!’ Pardew sort of laughed, before turning back to Struds and saying, ‘Yeah, if yours is better than mine, I’m having that.’ ‘Our meals eventually arrived and Pards looked at Tony and said, ‘Yeah, I was right, yours definitely looks much better than mine; I’m having that.’ And he went to swap the plates over. ‘You can’t do that!’ I said. ‘What do you mean?’ he asked. ‘You can’t just take somebody’s else’s dinner,’ I said in disbelief. And he replied, without any hint of a joke, ‘When you’re the King, you can do anything.’ I've heard many a ropey story about Alan Pardew. A notorious shagger. As a coach, Pardiola was a funny one. When the sailing was smooth he was slightly easier to like. The problem was inevitably when things turned. Pardew was fortunate that he followed Chris Hughton, who instilled discipline and structure to the side. He did well to get us through that tricky first bit of 2010/2011, and his reward for that was a fit again Ben Arfa, and some genuinely brilliant players in Yohan Cabaye and Demba Ba. That all helped to create a balanced side that could play kick and rush when needed, but also had a dash of real quality when needed (the run from mic-March to mid-April was some of the best football I'd seen us play in years). His problem was always reinventing. The shambolic corner routine we had was evidence of that. I think Mike Ashley fucked him over a fair bit with the summer spend in 2012, maybe if the January signings had come in the summer, things would have gone differently, but in reality we ended the season so poorly that I'm inclined to think probably not. I'm sure I could enjoy a beer with him, but ideally I'd not want to discuss his time here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Dixon Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 1 hour ago, Peppe said: I did this with Jose Enrique when he signed for Liverpool on a bosman in January. Retrained him as a goalkeeper for six months before he moved, and a year later when I checked how he was doing for Liverpool they played him in goal 😁 You were then declared a genius and José publicly praised you for the transformation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 51 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said: I don’t drink alcohol hardly ever have it’s a miserable attempt at humour on my behalf for which I apologise unreservedly No need, my man. Keep shooting, you often hit the net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 Liverpool readying another bid.. ...£111m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 35 minutes ago, Rich said: Was it not from when he was complicit in ousting our beloved Chris Hughton for seemingly no good football reason at all? It was enough to get me to walk. Always hated him, always saw through him. Was highly dismayed with the thickness of our support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 Oldtype has surely done us all up here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 36 minutes ago, Pata said: I've never found any free advanced data from that far but remember reading how that season by us was used as an example of extreme overachieving relating to xG on some seminars few years ago. It was a funny season and we had some amazing likeable players but ending up 5th was really lucky. You only have to look at Cisse's goal reel from that season to see it was never going to be sustainable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 1 hour ago, sempuki said: All bow to the King: Heartbreaking, the worst person you know.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 10, 2025 Share Posted August 10, 2025 1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said: Pardew dropped Ben Arfa for Sammy Ameobi and Gosling. He can get to ferk. Dan Gosling Seven shades of absolute fucking shite. Left and did 'ok' for Bournemouth before packing it all in at 33 the shitehawk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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