Still not worthy of a thread

[Kaizero]

5 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

Bit late to the party and, as per, I haven't been arsed enough to trawl (not that it would take that) back thru the thread BUT is it more Xenophobic than racist to have bias against Yanks? 

 

i actually looked at the Merriam-Webster article about the difference between "Xenophobia" and "Racism" before deciding which one to go for In short, Xenophobia is the fear and/or hatred of strangers/foreigners and Racism is having the belief that you/your culture/your politics/your religion is superior to those of another race, religion or nation. 

[Kaizero]

Side note; I googled "PL All-Star Game" and saw an article that applied the NBA All-Star selection rules to the PL to select theoretical squads. Which one of these two XI's do people think would've won?  

 

North All-Stars (4-3-3): Martinez; Dalot, Van Dijk, Botman, Shaw; Rodri, De Bruyne, McGinn; Salah, Haaland, Nunez

South All-Stars (4-2-3-1): Vicario; Porro, Saliba, Dunk, Emerson; Rice, Gallagher; Saka, Palmer, Son; Toney

 

Based on the 23/24 season.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 11:46 by Kaizero

[Groundhog63]

1 minute ago, Kaizero said:

 

i actually looked at the Merriam-Webster article about the difference between "Xenophobia" and "Racism" before deciding which one to go for In short, Xenophobia is the fear and/or hatred of strangers/foreigners and Racism is having the belief that you/your culture/your politics/your religion is superior to those of another race, religion or nation. 

😂👍

 

[Kaizero]

Just now, Groundhog63 said:

😂👍

 

 

I really enjoyed that they started the article off with this note:

 

What to Know
It’s never a good sign when we start seeing a massive increase in lookups for two closely related and unwelcome terms like racism and xenophobia. However, our place, as a dictionary, is not to judge the words that are being looked up (or the people looking them up), but instead to provide, to the best of our ability, as much information about them as is possible.

 

 

[Groundhog63]

From my fb feed. I named 3. The obvious 3, I guess. 

 

[Doctor Zaius]

Nowt to do with American nationality per se, but more to do with American owners with knowledge of American sports and trying to implement ideas and culture from there in order to make PL clubs more valuable. 

 

You can see it clear as day, American owners in shock at the value of PL clubs in comparison to NFL franchises. "Let's use our experience of US sports/leagues, and increase the value of our investment". More commercialisation, less sporting jeopardy. 

 

Football is in a dire shape. The PL is anti competition, and it's the same teams winning over and over again. Stale and boring. I welcome any shake up to the order but going the way that US based owners want to isn't the answer. Itll just lead to the whole thing getting even more plastic than it already is. 

 

I don't want to see any more US influence the PL but it's certainly not due to xenophobia. 

 

 

[Coco]

26 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

 

i actually looked at the Merriam-Webster article about the difference between "Xenophobia" and "Racism" before deciding which one to go for In short, Xenophobia is the fear and/or hatred of strangers/foreigners and Racism is having the belief that you/your culture/your politics/your religion is superior to those of another race, religion or nation. 

Kaiz, I say this with the best of intentions. Put your phone down, turn off the computer, walk away from the internet for a while.

[Papavasiliou]

30 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

 

i actually looked at the Merriam-Webster article about the difference between "Xenophobia" and "Racism" before deciding which one to go for In short, Xenophobia is the fear and/or hatred of strangers/foreigners and Racism is having the belief that you/your culture/your politics/your religion is superior to those of another race, religion or nation. 

Biased Yank dictionary would say that though tbf

[ennyoueffsea]

15 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

From my fb feed. I named 3. The obvious 3, I guess. 

 

I managed 4. 🤔

[Kaizero]

1 minute ago, Doctor Zaius said:

Nowt to do with American nationality per se, but more to do with American owners with knowledge of American sports and trying to implement ideas and culture from there in order to make PL clubs more valuable. 

 

You can see it clear as day, American owners in shock at the value of PL clubs in comparison to NFL franchises. "Let's use our experience of US sports/leagues, and increase the value of our investment". More commercialisation, less sporting jeopardy. 

 

Football is in a dire shape. The PL is anti competition, and it's the same teams winning over and over again. Stale and boring. I welcome any shake up to the order but going the way that US based owners want to isn't the answer. Itll just lead to the whole thing getting even more plastic than it already is. 

 

I don't want to see any more US influence the PL but it's certainly not due to xenophobia. 

 

This right here is the crux of my issue, KI clarified it quite well. It's not "US influence", it's "capitalistic influence" you're against, and is something that's a very valid and interesting subject to discuss. Given that the US is essentially the home nation of Capitalism, I do understand why people find it easier to say "US influence" - but again, it just makes it so that the actual issue isn't debated as it just devolves into "fuck US owners" very, very, quickly. I've seen it happen on here a million times, and elsewhere as well. The discussion never goes anywhere and just ends up with a circle-jerk of hatred for "US ownership" of English clubs. It's counterproductive and it boils my piss, so much so I couldn't ignore it anymore and started ranting.

 

I 100% agree with the actual concerns and arguments, but it doesn't matter what nationality the owners have if they champion changes rooted in capitalism. Again, the biggest offenders amongst PL club owners since the PL began were the Norwegian owners of Wimbledon, moving the club from Wimbledon to Milton Keynes as they believed there were more available fans to line their pockets there. The "moving" of a club to a new "market" is extremely "American", yet the only time it's been done in England, it was done by Norwegians.

[Kaizero]

16 minutes ago, Coco said:

Kaiz, I say this with the best of intentions. Put your phone down, turn off the computer, walk away from the internet for a while.

 

I'm on the Internet these days for a reason, and that's because not being on the Internet would not be a very good option for me right now. I appreciate the concern, though, but I'm just grateful I have something to rant about/focus on. This time of year already wasn't my favorite anymore, but this year is next level. Genuinely struggling, so whilst I understand I might be annoying some people at the moment, I hope they'll manage to look past it until we've reached the new year. I didn't mean to let it out on you in the sheep quiz thread, that was not acceptable of me at all and I'd like to apologize to you for my behaviour.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:30 by Kaizero

[Groundhog63]

9 minutes ago, ennyoueffsea said:

I managed 4. 🤔

 

Did a reverse search. The fb post on my thread just asked for players names. 

Turns out one of the "players" is.... 

Spoiler

Robert Plant 

 

Was a PR event before a cup final, I think, photo signed by.... 

 

Spoiler

Derek Parkin

 

And sold to auction. 

 

I got.... 

Spoiler

Emylin, Andy Gray and Kenny Hibbert

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:27 by Groundhog63

[ennyoueffsea]

3 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

Did a reverse search. The fb post on my thread just asked for players names. 

Turns out one of the "players" is.... 

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Robert Plant 

 

Was a PR event before a cup final, I think, photo signed by.... 

 

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Derek Parkin

 

And sold to auction. 

 

I got.... 

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Emylin, Andy Gray and Kenny Hibbert

 

 

 

 

Ha. Was looking at Plant thinking a know that face but would never have got him.

 

Between Plant and Hughes is John Richards. 😉

[toon25]

1 hour ago, Interpolic said:

 

It's not revisionist history, it's looking at it from the English perspective as it's most relevant to the discussion. 

 

I'd be happy enough with saying Jewish owners were ruining football if there was somehow the same history in Jewish sport that there is in American sport. And if I felt the systems in those sports would ruin European football, as the American systems would. And if the Jewish owners had already tried to railroad the existing system in favour of a poisonous closed shop model, as the Americans already have. 

 

I don't feel like the Americans need you jumping out to defend them by calling us all racist, it's a weird stance to take. You seem to be enjoying yourself though so I'll leave you to it. 

 

Fucking bang on.

[toon25]

55 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

Side note; I googled "PL All-Star Game" and saw an article that applied the NBA All-Star selection rules to the PL to select theoretical squads. Which one of these two XI's do people think would've won?  

 

North All-Stars (4-3-3): Martinez; Dalot, Van Dijk, Botman, Shaw; Rodri, De Bruyne, McGinn; Salah, Haaland, Nunez

South All-Stars (4-2-3-1): Vicario; Porro, Saliba, Dunk, Emerson; Rice, Gallagher; Saka, Palmer, Son; Toney

 

Based on the 23/24 season.

 

 

 

 

[toon25]

23 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

 

I'm on the Internet these days for a reason, and that's because not being on the Internet would not be a very good option for me right now. I appreciate the concern, though, but I'm just grateful I have something to rant about/focus on. This time of year already wasn't my favorite anymore, but this year is next level. Genuinely struggling, so whilst I understand I might be annoying some people at the moment, I hope they'll manage to look past it until we've reached the new year. I didn't mean to let it out on you in the sheep quiz thread, that was not acceptable of me at all and I'd like to apologize to you for my behaviour.

 

 

 

 

Replace with offending many 

[joeyt]

58 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

 

I'm on the Internet these days for a reason, and that's because not being on the Internet would not be a very good option for me right now. I appreciate the concern, though, but I'm just grateful I have something to rant about/focus on. This time of year already wasn't my favorite anymore, but this year is next level. Genuinely struggling, so whilst I understand I might be annoying some people at the moment, I hope they'll manage to look past it until we've reached the new year. I didn't mean to let it out on you in the sheep quiz thread, that was not acceptable of me at all and I'd like to apologize to you for my behaviour.

 

 

 

 

Hope you're alright Kaiz

 

Keep posting and checking in here. 

 

Always enjoyed your mad rants on here despite usually disagreeing with your view

[Miggys First Goal]

Give Amazon all the fucking TV rights. 

[Nucasol]

32 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said:

Give Amazon all the fucking TV rights. 

Absolutely loving it. Kamara back is so heartwarming. Feels very RedZone like on the Every Game Every Goal feed as well which is class.

[thomas]

5 hours ago, El Prontonise said:

 

 

Easy there, English.

 

We can find common ground here.

 

If we really want to lay blame for the current capitalist hellscape at the foot of any country - I humbly submit going back to its origins:

 

 

Let us join together against the true enemy.

[Rafalove]

 
 

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

Will likely do a longer post later about why that comparison isn't the same Kaiz, but will summarise one point with a meme for the time being saying as I know you like them.

 

 

 

[Kaizero]

29 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Will likely do a longer post later about why that comparison isn't the same Kaiz, but will summarise one point with a meme for the time being saying as I know you like them.

 

 

 

 

I appreciate that, fair do's  

 

Also appreciate the fact you say you want to respond with a longer post, I have no issues with differing opinions and I much prefer an actual discussion about various issues rather than short form answers. I'm not dying on any hill and welcome instances where someone makes such a convincing argument for why I'm wrong about something that my opinion about something changes. 

 

I've often used Bill Maher's viewpoint on him being right/wrong about something as an example of how I view my own take on things, which paraphrased goes something like this; "I have an opinion about certain things that will I have reached through how I have understood information that's been available to me to form an opinion about something. As many people who've debated with me know, when I have formed an opinion/view about something, I 100% believe my opinion is correct and I will enter any debate from that standpoint and do my best to explain my views and provide relevant information to others that may not share my views, in hope that this will change their viewpoint from what it was at the start of our debate to what mine was. This doesn't mean that I do not understand the simple fact that I may very well be wrong, no matter how confident I am about something going in. If someone with a differing viewpoint to mine manage to provide enough evidence for why my viewpoint is wrong and theirs is right, I'll hold my hands up and say "you know what? you're correct, I'm in the wrong here". That's why we discuss things we don't agree on and not only what we already agree on."

 

Then he goes on a bit of a rant about how the world today has abandoned civil discourse because social media and the Internet has made it so that you only see shit that backs up your pre-existing opinions/views because everyone gets their own individual online echo chamber to exist in, which leads to them losing their shit when they happen upon a person existing outside their echo chamber that has a different opinion/viewpoint than them about something, leading to shouting matches instead of discussion.

 

Can't say I disagree with that, even when using N-O as an example. Ten years ago this discussion would have looked 100% different on here, people would explain their views and respond to posts with actual responses. Not just "nuh-uh", "you just love the US", "you're wrong" or some form of personal attack. I miss those days. Hell, I miss HTT straight-up writing novellas to express his opinion(s) about something. I'd love to discuss the effects capitalism has had, is having and will have on modern football rather than reaching a stand-still about semantics.

 

I'm beyond nostalgic these days, just feeling so incredibly fed up with how things are today

[BlueStar]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5ygq1dyz8yo#:~:text=Norwich City goalkeeper Angus Gunn,against QPR earlier this month.

 

Norwich City goalkeeper Angus Gunn will be available for their games over the festive period after being fined £4,500 for misconduct.

The Scotland international admitted behaving in an improper manner around the tunnel area during the half-time interval in the game against QPR earlier this month.

 

If my lass could fine me four and a half grand every time I behaved in an improper manner around the tunnel area she could retire. 

[cubaricho]

10 hours ago, Doctor Zaius said:

Nowt to do with American nationality per se, but more to do with American owners with knowledge of American sports and trying to implement ideas and culture from there in order to make PL clubs more valuable. 

 

You can see it clear as day, American owners in shock at the value of PL clubs in comparison to NFL franchises. "Let's use our experience of US sports/leagues, and increase the value of our investment". More commercialisation, less sporting jeopardy. 

 

Football is in a dire shape. The PL is anti competition, and it's the same teams winning over and over again. Stale and boring. I welcome any shake up to the order but going the way that US based owners want to isn't the answer. Itll just lead to the whole thing getting even more plastic than it already is. 

 

I don't want to see any more US influence the PL but it's certainly not due to xenophobia. 

 

 

We’re just here to fix the game, my man. Just to make it better.