Conjo Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 We're only joint 5th together with Bournemouth, Brighton and Burnley in the injury table now. Howe out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, Big Jow said: Would be great for Spurs to collapse after the massive media wankfest over “Ange”. Spurs getting in over Villa is probably preferable from our POV though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I'd be happy with 6th or 7th. I do think Villa are due a collapse but everyone thought that about us last season and we kept going. No way will we catch Villa or spurs though. There is a slight chance we might catch one of them and doesn't CL go down to 5th now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, relámpago blanco said: doesn't CL go down to 5th now. At the minute, no. There's no guarantee England get the fifth spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Only way we'll get near 5th is a Spurs collapse like and I don't see us making up 10 points even if they did. If Villa beat them this weekend and we beat Chelsea away there's a slim chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 This run of results would give us 26 points (66 overall) and almost guarantee 6th. If one of the wins becomes a draw, or there are any more losses (without a draw becoming a win) and I don’t think we’d catch Man Utd. Chelsea A 1pt West Ham H 3pts Everton H 3pts Fulham A 3pts Spurs H 0pts Man Utd A 1pt Sheff Utd H 3pts Burnley A 3 pts Brighton H 3pts Brentford A 3pts Crystal Palace (date tbc) A 3pts 8 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss. HTL! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: This run of results would give us 26 points (66 overall) and almost guarantee 6th. If one of the wins becomes a draw, or there are any more losses (without a draw becoming a win) and I don’t think we’d catch Man Utd. Chelsea A 1pt West Ham H 3pts Everton H 3pts Fulham A 3pts Spurs H 0pts Man Utd A 1pt Sheff Utd H 3pts Burnley A 3 pts Brighton H 3pts Brentford A 3pts Crystal Palace (date tbc) A 3pts 8 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss. HTL! we’ll get more than 2 points out of Chelsea, Spurs and Manu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Just now, Colos Short and Curlies said: we’ll get more than 2 points out of Chelsea, Spurs and Manu. That’s the ticket Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Aye, I can see a strong end to the season. Fixtures are reasonably good and the more difficult games are still opportunities for points. Each game in winnable, not dating we'll win them all but I'll be going into each game looking to get points in every single one. Man U away looks the most difficult but we've beaten them 3 times on the bounce and knocked them out of the cup so that's a chance of a result. Spurs at home isn't easy but I'd expect at least a point. No reason why we can't aim for 6th and be in poker position if one of spurs or villa blow up. We need a run like Liverpool made at the back end of last season though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 This shows where points have come from this season. Tier based on finishing position last year. Thing that stands out for me is that Man Utd have only taken one point off Tier 1 teams (played 5, only had a draw at Liverpool; lost the others so far). Villa have bullied the Tier 4 teams, with 23 points from 10 games (we have taken 13 point from 8 games against Tier 4). Spurs have done best against Tier 1 sides: 12 points (from 7 games). We have 6 points from 6 games against Tier 1 opponents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5th is gone. We needed to beat Luton & Bournemouth at home to stay in the running. Mid to high 60's would put us in the running for 5th. Low 60's is 6th/7th this season. Most of our rivals for 7th have European football to contend with in March and probably beyond. We should finish above them. It would take a bit of a collapse to even catch Man U unless we go on a super run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Interesting graphic, @Coffee_Johnny. Would be curious to see how we fare against the rest of the mini-league we're embroiled in (Brighton, West Ham, Chelsea, Wolves)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: 5th is gone. We needed to beat Luton & Bournemouth at home to stay in the running. Mid to high 60's would put us in the running for 5th. Low 60's is 6th/7th this season. Most of our rivals for 7th have European football to contend with in March and probably beyond. We should finish above them. It would take a bit of a collapse to even catch Man U unless we go on a super run. We're four points behind Man U with easier fixtures in the run-in? Why would that need a collapse on their part? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Man United have a pretty decent run in to be fair , would make them favourites to finish 6th still and us 7th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I have zero confidence this in this defence until Martinez and Shaw are back, which is April at the earliest if they come back at all. We will drop a lot of points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 52 minutes ago, jonny1403 said: We're four points behind Man U with easier fixtures in the run-in? Why would that need a collapse on their part? They've averaged over 50% win rate. 6 wins out of 11 gets them to 62 points. We'll need to win 8 out of 11 to beat that. We've not shown that form all season. To catch them - they'll have to be worse than they've been all season and we'll have to be better. And we've never finished above them. And we play them away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Man U still have to play Liverpool and Arsenal at their place - they are tricky fixtures. We could very well sneak some form of result at OT as well, should our form trend up from here. Brighton should have some players back by the time they host them too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Man United really struggle away to anyone half decent, unfortunately it seems they've got most of those fixtures out of the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) Brighton and West Hams run ins look tougher than ours. I think that's where our aim is, for 7th The longer both stay in the europa the better for us as well. Man u will scab their way to points as they have done all season. 60 points should be enough for 7th I reckon, 6 wins and a couple of draws. Will need a strong finish. Wolves and Chelsea could come with a run late on as well. Edited March 4 by jack j Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yorkie said: Interesting graphic, @Coffee_Johnny. Would be curious to see how we fare against the rest of the mini-league we're embroiled in (Brighton, West Ham, Chelsea, Wolves)... Edited March 4 by Coffee_Johnny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 44 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: They've averaged over 50% win rate. 6 wins out of 11 gets them to 62 points. We'll need to win 8 out of 11 to beat that. We've not shown that form all season. To catch them - they'll have to be worse than they've been all season and we'll have to be better. And we've never finished above them. And we play them away. I'm not saying we'll catch them. You said Man U would need to collapse completely for us to catch them, which obviously isn't true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 You could also easily argue that a Man United collapse would just be regression to the mean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 This is our collapse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Personally I think any thoughts of usurping Villa and Spurs is fantasy stuff. Man United, fuck knows which way they go. Like it or not, they have a knack for pulling results out of their arse. For me, it's 7th. Europa Conference would be a perfect nursery for re-learning how to cope with two games a week. We'd batter most teams in that competition, we might even be favourites to win it. In order to get 7th, we need to see off Brighton and West Ham. We have both teams at home. Win both and 7th will be ours IMO, largely because I can't see either side pulling away from us any time soon. We've looked unlikely to string 6/7 games together this season but if we beat Chelsea away and don't get smashed off city in the Cup, I might revise my view and think 6th is possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 If we are able to beat, Chelsea, West Ham and Man U, we finish top 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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