brummie Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said: They would be 4th in the table since he was appointed, better than alright surely ? Yes, 1.8 PPG since he came. He's doing a good job with a slightly uneven squad. Edited March 4, 2023 by brummie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: We could have also kept Shelvey, but then triggered a new contract with no guarantee someone takes him off us in the summer and we're stuck with deadwood again when we're trying to rebuild a squad with quality. The money we got him for him is insane btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Given the manufactured controversy about our owners, a country to which the UK happily sells lots of arms, it is understandable for the club to not push the envelope on any FFP matters. There will be far more scrutiny of us than others. As for Top 4, we're doing pretty much everything but scoring. Some of this is variance but unfortunately some of it will be a lack of quality in the team that will take time to remedy. With the overhauled off-field, scouting and youth teams we now have, the rewards should come if we can be patient. I've not given up on Top 4. There is still a lot of football to be played and a lot of teams in the mix who will take points off each other. As with Leeds away last season or Fulham away this, it does feel like we need another "turning point" game to get us back on track and get some momentum going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Stottie said: Given the manufactured controversy about our owners, a country to which the UK happily sells lots of arms, it is understandable for the club to not push the envelope on any FFP matters. There will be far more scrutiny of us than others. As for Top 4, we're doing pretty much everything but scoring. Some of this is variance but unfortunately some of it will be a lack of quality in the team that will take time to remedy. With the overhauled off-field, scouting and youth teams we now have, the rewards should come if we can be patient. I've not given up on Top 4. There is still a lot of football to be played and a lot of teams in the mix who will take points off each other. As with Leeds away last season or Fulham away this, it does feel like we need another "turning point" game to get us back on track and get some momentum going. I agree top four is still within reach but we’re going to have to start finishing off chances to do it and that included cementing a 5th or 6th place finish. Our attacking players including the midfielders just aren’t clinical enough though and that’ll be addressed in the summer I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 13 hours ago, TRon said: Howe has always known what he wants and where he wants to go. That's the difference. Changed his mind on Celtic didn’t he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Just now, Hovagod said: Changed his mind on Celtic didn’t he? Not really. He wasn't allowed his own staff and that was a deal breaker for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 3 hours ago, ExiledGeordie said: I agree top four is still within reach but we’re going to have to start finishing off chances to do it and that included cementing a 5th or 6th place finish. Our attacking players including the midfielders just aren’t clinical enough though and that’ll be addressed in the summer I think. This is correct, sadly the main way to become more clinical is to get better players. Give Eddie Howe Foden and Haaland and we win that game yesterday easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Can’t even bring myself to want Man United to win today even though it helps us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 17 minutes ago, Geogaddi said: Can’t even bring myself to want Man United to win today even though it helps us. They should create a new variant to the scoring system where it remains as it is for everything, included score draws but 0-0 ends with both sides getting 0 points. Would be amazing to root for 0-0 in this sort of match and would produce more attacking football* *not entirely serious but also not entirely joking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: This is correct, sadly the main way to become more clinical is to get better players. Give Eddie Howe Foden and Haaland and we win that game yesterday easily. Exactly. Proper coaching pays huge dividends as we’ve already seen but intimately you have to upgrade positions with better quality. Ultimately Burn, Longstaff maybe even the likes of Miggy, Wilson will become more squad based players or certainly far from guaranteed starters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, gbandit said: They should create a new variant to the scoring system where it remains as it is for everything, included score draws but 0-0 ends with both sides getting 0 points. Would be amazing to root for 0-0 in this sort of match and would produce more attacking football* *not entirely serious but also not entirely joking See where you're coming from, but it would be pretty easy to corrupt that system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Geogaddi said: Can’t even bring myself to want Man United to win today even though it helps us. I say I want Man-U to win but the closer it gets the less I feel sure about that stance I guess I just need to enjoy the match and look at it as a win win Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 20 minutes ago, 80 said: See where you're coming from, but it would be pretty easy to corrupt that system. Genuine question - how? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Gawalls said: Genuine question - how? If it suited two teams e.g. one trying to avoid relegation and the other gunning for 7th; once it was fairly clear the game was going to end goalless, a nod and a wink could allow goals in at each end so that each team picks up at least a point to further their ambitions in the league. There'd be a bit of jeopardy around the first scorer welching, but not a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 minute ago, 80 said: If it suited two teams e.g. one trying to avoid relegation and the other gunning for 7th; once it was fairly clear the game was going to end goalless, a nod and a wink could allow goals in at each end so that each team picks up at least a point to further their ambitions in the league. There'd be a bit of jeopardy around the first scorer welching, but not a lot. That’s grasping a little and that would happen less than teams parking the bus and spoiling games like Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Not really. Whenever there's an incentive, such as mutually beneficial draws in world cups, that kind of thing emerges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, 80 said: Not really. Whenever there's an incentive, such as mutually beneficial draws in world cups, that kind of thing emerges. Why couldn’t they do that now with draws? A nod and a wink and no one will score? It’s no different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, Gawalls said: Why couldn’t they do that now with draws? A nod and a wink and no one will score? It’s no different Well, they do, but it's rare that such a result is explicitly beneficial, particularly with the three points for a win. But if we and Burnley had both guaranteed our safety with a draw on the last day of last season, the smart money would have been on a draw. But if you introduce that opportunity into every match, you'll just grow the culture of corruption. By not engaging in it, you'd maybe be giving a 6 point advantage in the league standings to every team that did for the sake of not saying 'you have one and we'll have one'. With tens and hundreds of millions of pounds riding on relegation and CL qualification, the outcome over time is obvious. So you'd just end up with park the bus + corruption. The initiative wouldn't even resolve the stated problem of defensive play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Liverpool certainly the favourites at this stage, they have the momentum right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 We cannot get top 4 now. Top 6 also looks a struggle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 We have 8 points in our last 8 games. We will be lucky to get 7th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Still plenty to play for and Man United potentially slackened from a guaranteed 3rd place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 We’d do well to get 7th at this point. We are sliding and need results fast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 And Don't forget, Spurs are shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 I'd just as soon miss out on Europe altogether if its Confrence League. Speaking as someone who experienced a lot of it pre Ashley that's easy of course. But as were contenders for bigger things, unless we massively strengthen the squad (and even then) its not going to help. In our current state with 2-3 additions, we couldn't cope with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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