simonsays Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 If we are so fucked by PSR why didn't we vote with Villa to increase the allowable losses to £130m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 47 minutes ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said: I agree with this. The only other downside would be the unknown for 3/4 of the season. I kind of wish that us, Everton, villa, Chelsea, Leicester, Forest (maybe others) were all up for points deductions. I think this would put more pressure on ffp than anything else. It would just make a complete mockery of the league globally. A lot of folks keep saying this but it doesn't make much sense to me. Three ways to change the rules as far as I'm aware: 1, By convincing 13 other members the rules suck and should be changed. (6 clubs getting points deductions kind does the opposite as it makes the lives of the other 14 easier as the competition is weakening. 2, legal challenge. 3, You lobby for the independent regulator and then lobby them regarding these rules (IF such a thing exists in the regulators mandate that is). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Imagine the scenes if all clubs broke it and started minus 3 or whatever at beginning of season. Would be hilariously farcical 🤣 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetsbaiaIsBald Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 4 minutes ago, r0cafella said: A lot of folks keep saying this but it doesn't make much sense to me. Three ways to change the rules as far as I'm aware: 1, By convincing 13 other members the rules suck and should be changed. (6 clubs getting points deductions kind does the opposite as it makes the lives of the other 14 easier as the competition is weakening. 2, legal challenge. 3, You lobby for the independent regulator and then lobby them regarding these rules (IF such a thing exists in the regulators mandate that is). Your options are the sensible ones. I disagree with your conclusion on point one though. I think the commercial damage to the league out weighs this. 1 minute ago, LFEE said: Imagine the scenes if all clubs broke it and started minus 3 or whatever at beginning of season. Would be hilariously farcical 🤣 this is the thing. I think it just completely undermines the premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just now, KetsbaiaIsBald said: Your options are the sensible ones. I disagree with your conclusion on point one though. I think the commercial damage to the league out weighs this. this is the thing. I think it just completely undermines the premier league. What commercial damage? Two clubs got deducted points this season and nobody cares no damage was done. if anything I’d argue it made the season more interesting because if not relegation was done by Christmas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetsbaiaIsBald Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 12 minutes ago, r0cafella said: What commercial damage? Two clubs got deducted points this season and nobody cares no damage was done. if anything I’d argue it made the season more interesting because if not relegation was done by Christmas. I take your point and you could well be right. I just think things could get to a breaking point. When our take over was blocked social media was a mess. Premier league corrupt etc. It was one fan base. It’s now more and more. Everyone is getting bored of it. I don’t trust there will be a way to improve things through legit means. So I’d try to make the whole thing a farce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 18 minutes ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said: Your options are the sensible ones. I disagree with your conclusion on point one though. I think the commercial damage to the league out weighs this. this is the thing. I think it just completely undermines the premier league. They don't care about the Premier League. And tbf, given why the PL breakaway happened, it is hard to sympathise with the PL as an institution. It was formed because of the grasping greed of the top clubs, and a bunch of little ones who were happy to jump on the gravy train. Nowts changed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just now, KetsbaiaIsBald said: I take your point and you could well be right. I just think things could get to a breaking point. When our take over was blocked social media was a mess. Premier league corrupt etc. It was one fan base. It’s now more and more. Everyone is getting bored of it. I don’t trust there will be a way to improve things through legit means. So I’d try to make the whole thing a farce. Absolutely take your point too, to be very honest the influence is social media is over stated yes fans were angry but ultimately that’s all it is, a lot of noise. As we know very well football fans will complain about Mike Ashley whilst shoveling thousands of pounds into his pockets yearly. I think another aspect is the rate of growth of the league in the UK at this point is largely stagnant and future growth will come from overseas. We are called legacy fans for a reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 hour ago, simonsays said: If we are so fucked by PSR why didn't we vote with Villa to increase the allowable losses to £130m? It’s a good question. We do seem to be fucked tho. So you have to think about PIF and us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetsbaiaIsBald Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) Maybe assumptions on league place and champions league/uefa progression have bitten us. And I guess we don’t have any swap mates (yet). Edited June 29 by KetsbaiaIsBald Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 When's the deadline, by end of tomorrow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boey_Jarton Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 RAWK makes interesting reading right now. They have convinced themselves that PSR is at the heart of fairness and any transactions not involving them are cheating. Whilst at the same time salivating at picking up rival club players on the cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) If there's a clear trend of 'other 14' best players being sold on to the 'Top 6' at a reduced price (and if they want to be cheeky could even cite 'FAIR MAKET VALUE'), it'll just be another example to be used in any case against PSR and the EPL. For example, last season you had Richarlson and Johnson going to Spurs from two clubs that tried to comply with PSR. Edited June 29 by OCK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Being forced to sell assets at below market value to comply with PSR would be an interesting case for a CAT for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Pundit Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Fuck them, take the hit then bring the lawyers in to make a full scale attack on how wrong the rules are. Maybe sitting back and letting the others do it isn't worth it, especially when we're now seeing so many examples of these stupid rules being anti-competitive, hypocritical and complicit in holding teams to ransom and forcing them to sell their players for less than they're worth just to hit the spreadsheet target. It stifles progression and doesn't allow for teams with owners that can afford to spend, even if they add in provision to contracts or holding money in trust to cover potential fees. And that's all before you even get to the unfairness of those teams that are already established prior to rule implementation having a massive advantage over everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Just now, Whitley mag said: Being forced to sell assets at below market value to comply with PSR would be an interesting case for a CAT for sure. You don't get how FMV works. If we sell below value then thats "FMV" as that's what's someone was willing to pay, if we sell above value , say to Saudi, that's when it's a contravention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 minute ago, Armchair Pundit said: Fuck them, take the hit then bring the lawyers in to make a full scale attack on how wrong the rules are. Maybe sitting back and letting the others do it isn't worth it, especially when we're now seeing so many examples of these stupid rules being anti-competitive, hypocritical and complicit in holding teams to ransom and forcing them to sell their players for less than they're worth just to hit the spreadsheet target. It stifles progression and doesn't allow for teams with owners that can afford to spend, even if they add in provision to contracts or holding money in trust to cover potential fees. And that's all before you even get to the unfairness of those teams that are already established prior to rule implementation having a massive advantage over everyone else. That's where I'm at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Unpopular opinion maybe, but we know the limits it's 105m over 3 seasons, making a loss of 35m a season when teams generate 100s of millions is more than fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 I dunno why we’re giving a shit, take the points hits. We’re not getting relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 If we are in a mess and I am far from convinced we are then its pretty shambolic stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 6 minutes ago, RodneyCisse said: I dunno why we’re giving a shit, take the points hits. We’re not getting relegated. Pretty sure if the PL knew we were next for a points deduction they would change the rules to make the next club an example of and relegate them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 What the dickens is gan’ on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 When it all comes out in the wash I imagine there will be a serious inquest. I also think the softly softly approach to PSR should be over, let’s get fully against it and start flexing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 6 minutes ago, Numbers said: Pretty sure if the PL knew we were next for a points deduction they would change the rules to make the next club an example of and relegate them. They can’t. They can only punish us within the rules than were in place when we broke them. It’d have to be in line with what Everton and Forest got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 5 minutes ago, Disco said: What the dickens is gan’ on? Weekend click bait! Same last weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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