Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[The College Dropout]

29 minutes ago, HayDen Traces said:

If things continue as they are surely the majority of member clubs will vote to change the rules. Particularly if promoted clubs start staying up, it threatens their place at the top table.

Promoted clubs don’t look like consistently staying up though. The gap between the rest and the champ is massive. Whenever the rest get relegated they tend to come straight back up.  

[Toonpack]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

This isn’t the reality. All 6 of the last 2 promotion cohorts have gone straight back row. For the first time ever.  
 

The gap between the established PL sides and the championship is gigantic. There hasn’t been a serious relegation battle in years. 
 

There’s like 4 types of PL clubs:

Cartel

challengers

the rest

the yoyos 

 

It takes a lot for the rest to get relegated and stay relegated.  We were one of them for 20 years. 

 

 

 

 

And the cartel plus the rest = enough votes to fuck the challengers

[The College Dropout]

Increasing the PSR limits just increases the likelihood of more Forests spending to stay up. 

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

And the cartel plus the rest = enough votes to fuck the challengers

Yep.  Imo the only route for the challenges to sustain it is to consistently do and find dodgy PSR hacks. 
 

Forest seemingly have a network of dodgy clubs to do deals with. Maybe the owner owns them too I don’t know. 

[Kanj]

The cartel 6 locked in their dominance before any rules changed. Man United rode the Sky TV boom in the 90s, Liverpool's famed history helped them get a "rescue" by FSG in 2010, Arsenal built their power off Wenger and then the Kroenke takeover in 2011, Chelsea had Abramovich arrive in 2003, and City had Abu Dhabi takeover in 2008. Then came UEFA’s FFP in 2011 and the Premier League’s PSR in 2013, tightened again in 2021 right after our takeover. The Newcastle, Villa and Forest takeovers occurred after PSR was created. Chelsea's new ownership has used the historical advantages/headstart gained from 2003 and found every backwards loophole known in football to continue to grow at absurd rates. Be nice if someone in the fucking press would hammer this point every single time. 

 

But no, we only get "Free Isak" "Villa and Newcastle and Forest need to know their place" "You're not a big club" and "he only wanted ______" 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2025 by Kanj

[Stifler]

2 hours ago, 1881 said:

It is becoming apparent now that many clubs are starting to struggle with the impact of PSR in restricting spending. This is inevitable at the moment as fees and wages (of top players) have risen massively but the PSR limit has remained unchanged. 

The only clubs struggling with PSR are the ones wanting to challenge.

That’s us, Villa, and Forest, although Forests was largely down to having to buy a new squad because of players going out of contract, and loans returning.

Everton’s problems initially arises from when they first bought all those players in order to become the best of the ready when is and Villa were recovering from relegation. They also had the audacity to build a new stadium, with borrowed money, which is what pushed them over the edge.

Leicester again likewise had the audacity to win the league, win the FA Cup, and wish to build a team who could compete at the top end. They came close to finishing in the top 4 the two seasons before they got relegated.

 

As of yet, non of the top 6 teams, and none of the teams who know their place have been given any PSR punishments.

[gdm]

 

[Nucasol]

People slowly but surely opening their eyes to what the Cartel have implemented. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy982zd1e7jo

 

Not that that they’ll do fuck all to rebalance the inequity.

[healthyaddiction]

3 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

People slowly but surely opening their eyes to what the Cartel have implemented. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy982zd1e7jo

 

Not that that they’ll do fuck all to rebalance the inequity.

Crazy the stat on MotD that Villa have actually made a 10m profit on their transfer business under Emery, and yet are still fucked.

[Andy84]

2 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said:

Crazy the stat on MotD that Villa have actually made a 10m profit on their transfer business under Emery, and yet are still fucked.

Wages is the one though. Their wage bill is absolutely massive and they don’t have the revenue to hold it. It’s mad an unfair of course 

[healthyaddiction]

5 minutes ago, Andy84 said:

Wages is the one though. Their wage bill is absolutely massive and they don’t have the revenue to hold it. It’s mad an unfair of course 

Yeah, but it just shows you're pretty much fucked either way. Can't afford to pay your players the wages to keep them, can't afford to sell and replace them.

[Thumbheed]

I don't know why I didn't realise this earlier, but it only just occurred to me that UEFA spending rules serve the exact same purpose as PSR, meaning this runs deeper than just domestic monopoly, it's football that's rigged in it's entirety. 

 

 

[Matt1892]

42 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

I don't know why I didn't realise this earlier, but it only just occurred to me that UEFA spending rules serve the exact same purpose as PSR, meaning this runs deeper than just domestic monopoly, it's football that's rigged in it's entirety. 

 

 

Look at the coefficient payments for the Champions League in 23/24, both ourselves and Man Utd came bottom of our groups, they received €60.7 million but we only received €34.4 million.

 

Uefa want to base prize money not just on that season in Europe but how you have performed over five seasons, so the more established you are in European competitions the more money you will receive.

 

They want teams like us and Villa qualifying to be a novelty, not a permanent disruption of what they see as the elite clubs.

 

 

Edited August 24, 2025 by Matt1892

[r0cafella]

54 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

I don't know why I didn't realise this earlier, but it only just occurred to me that UEFA spending rules serve the exact same purpose as PSR, meaning this runs deeper than just domestic monopoly, it's football that's rigged in it's entirety. 

 

 

Rory Smith is the Liverpool fan if im not mistaken. Liverpool fans are the biggest defenders of PSR and will come up with all sorts of strawmans to justify it. The usual go to is if no PSR sovereign states would dominate as if no such space exists to make fair rules. 

[Dr. TC]

13 hours ago, gdm said:

 

Basically impossible to win. Hopefully helps get the message out. 

[gdm]

Just now, Dr. TC said:

Basically impossible to win. Hopefully helps get the message out. 

I managed to stay within ffp won the cup but finished midtable 

[Dr. TC]

58 minutes ago, gdm said:

I managed to stay within ffp won the cup but finished midtable 

I lost the cup because we went to Qatar so they were tired, and I got sacked at the end of the season for refusing to sell my star youngster for 20m below his value. 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2025 by Dr. TC

[Ezekiel 2517]

47 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

Look at the coefficient payments for the Champions League in 23/24, both ourselves and Man Utd came bottom of our groups, they received €60.7 million but we only received €34.4 million.

 

Uefa want to base prize money not just on that season in Europe but how you have performed over five seasons, so the more established you are in European competitions the more money you will receive.

 

They want teams like us and Villa qualifying to be a novelty, not a permanent disruption of what they see as the elite clubs.

 

 

 

All part of the plan to turn the Champions League into the Super League.  Ensure that the big clubs have all the star players and that they’re consistently playing every year in the competition.  How to turn football into Disney entertainment.

 

As you say, “no one” wants to see less glamorous clubs spoiling the entertainment value.

[gdm]

11 minutes ago, Dr. TC said:

I lost the cup because we went to Qatar so they were tired, and I got sacked at the end of the season for refusing to sell my start youngster for 20m below his value. 

Funnily enough the options that piss off the fans (stadium name, ticket prices, dodgy sleeve sponsor) all seemed to be the best option 

[Magpie Mover]

This is just the beginning just wait until we have 14 American owners to vote in a draft, wage cap, no relegation, 4 quarters and cheer leaders squirming after every goal.

[Dokko]

Just now, Magpie Mover said:

This is just the beginning just wait until we have 14 American owners to vote in a draft, wage cap, no relegation, 4 quarters and cheer leaders squirming after every goal.

 

Yup. American owners are the most dangerous thing to happen to football, especially in the PL. 

[Magpie Mover]

Not exactly sure how many there are but over half I think.

[madras]

1 hour ago, Matt1892 said:

Look at the coefficient payments for the Champions League in 23/24, both ourselves and Man Utd came bottom of our groups, they received €60.7 million but we only received €34.4 million.

 

Uefa want to base prize money not just on that season in Europe but how you have performed over five seasons, so the more established you are in European competitions the more money you will receive.

 

They want teams like us and Villa qualifying to be a novelty, not a permanent disruption of what they see as the elite clubs.

 

 

 

If we were to beat Man City in the Champions league final and we both had identical records getting there, they would still get more money out of it due to the coefficient (what a name as its not efficient at all), its designed to get more money to certain clubs.

 

 

Edited August 24, 2025 by madras

[FloydianMag]

29 minutes ago, Magpie Mover said:

This is just the beginning just wait until we have 14 American owners to vote in a draft, wage cap, no relegation, 4 quarters and cheer leaders squirming after every goal.

PL can’t change the rules of the game, only IFAB can. As for wage caps, the PFA will have that in the Courts very quickly.

 

Fuck the yank owners!

 

 

Edited August 24, 2025 by FloydianMag

[Stifler]

5 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Rory Smith is the Liverpool fan if im not mistaken. Liverpool fans are the biggest defenders of PSR and will come up with all sorts of strawmans to justify it. The usual go to is if no PSR sovereign states would dominate as if no such space exists to make fair rules. 

Not only that but in general the media in this country are all in favour of the top 6, well top 5. First of all as you pointed out, the journalists have generally adopted those clubs instead of actually being a football fan.

More importantly though, our media is fixated on the wealthy and preserving it. Although football is beneath many of the very wealthy in this country (unless they are making money from it). When they do need to use football as a ‘connection to the working class’ they tend to stick to those clubs because they are the richest and out of any clubs in the U.K., they are also the most representative of themselves, rich, soulless, shameless, controlling, and commercial.

 

 

Edited August 24, 2025 by Stifler