Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[Poon Raccoon]

1 hour ago, Dokko said:

 

Yup. American owners are the most dangerous thing to happen to football, especially in the PL. 

Take a look at Formula 1 if you want an example.

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, Poon Raccoon said:

Take a look at Formula 1 if you want an example.

 

Those dangerous Haas owners ruining F1 

 

I'd argue that cunt from the middle east has been far more damaging.

[Turnbull2000]

What a load of bollocks that Guardian article is.

 

The new UEFA rules (that I think the PL is going to adopt?) seem even worse. Expenditure is measures against turnover, so even if you manage to hit the jackpot on a player sale, it'll count for nothing the following season as it's not regular income.

[TRon]

17 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

What a load of bollocks that Guardian article is.

 

The new UEFA rules (that I think the PL is going to adopt?) seem even worse. Expenditure is measures against turnover, so even if you manage to hit the jackpot on a player sale, it'll count for nothing the following season as it's not regular income.

 

 

It sounds exactly the sort of rule the ESL wannabes would try to design so I imagine it will be close enough to the truth. 

[Unbelievable]

2 hours ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Those dangerous Haas owners ruining F1 

 

I'd argue that cunt from the middle east has been far more damaging.

I think he is (rightly) referring to Liberty Media

[Jonas]

4 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Rory Smith is the Liverpool fan if im not mistaken. Liverpool fans are the biggest defenders of PSR and will come up with all sorts of strawmans to justify it. The usual go to is if no PSR sovereign states would dominate as if no such space exists to make fair rules. 

That's the only arguement I ever hear and its absurdum infinitum.

They suggest it will be chaos, though it would only be how football has been for 130years, which seemed to work pretty well.

As if the current rules aren't many times more chaotic and farcical than before. 

Nobody is even advocating for no rules just not ridiculously unfair ones massively skewered towards advantaging the already advantaged and having the temerity to say its for 'competitiveness'. 

[The College Dropout]

The coefficient prize money in Europe is highly unfair.

 

It’s something that should be challenged along with the rules. It’s an unfair advantage to the already successful.  PIF won’t do it though. 

[Stifler]

27 minutes ago, Jonas said:

That's the only arguement I ever hear and its absurdum infinitum.

They suggest it will be chaos, though it would only be how football has been for 130years, which seemed to work pretty well.

As if the current rules aren't many times more chaotic and farcical than before. 

Nobody is even advocating for no rules just not ridiculously unfair ones massively skewered towards advantaging the already advantaged and having the temerity to say its for 'competitiveness'. 

They have even knocked back weighting to limit transfer spending, but allow anyone to catch up if they wish to do so.

They have lost the argument of it being about sustainability.

[1881]

3 hours ago, Stifler said:

Not only that but in general the media in this country are all in favour of the top 6, well top 5. First of all as you pointed out, the journalists have generally adopted those clubs instead of actually being a football fan.

More importantly though, our media is fixated on the wealthy and preserving it. Although football is beneath many of the very wealthy in this country (unless they are making money from it). When they do need to use football as a ‘connection to the working class’ they tend to stick to those clubs because they are the richest and out of any clubs in the U.K., they are also the most representative of themselves, rich, soulless, shameless, controlling, and commercial.

 

 

 

Also they will support the clubs with the biggest global fanbases because that means extra clicks and followers and therefore more money for them and/or the company they work for.

[Keegans Export]

17 hours ago, Jonas said:

That's the only arguement I ever hear and its absurdum infinitum.

They suggest it will be chaos, though it would only be how football has been for 130years, which seemed to work pretty well.

As if the current rules aren't many times more chaotic and farcical than before. 

Nobody is even advocating for no rules just not ridiculously unfair ones massively skewered towards advantaging the already advantaged and having the temerity to say its for 'competitiveness'. 

The argument that some clubs would be able to massively outspend others is such garbage.

 

Firstly, as you say, that has been the case throughout football history. Yes the PIF are considerably more wealthy than the Moores' or SJH but an elite player also costs more than a million quid these days.

 

Secondly, that's literally what we have now. The only difference is that gap in spending power is based on historical success rather than ownership ambition. 

[Poon Raccoon]

18 hours ago, Unbelievable said:

I think he is (rightly) referring to Liberty Media

That’s exactly whom i am referring to.

[duo]

On 24/08/2025 at 08:49, Thumbheed said:

I don't know why I didn't realise this earlier, but it only just occurred to me that UEFA spending rules serve the exact same purpose as PSR, meaning this runs deeper than just domestic monopoly, it's football that's rigged in it's entirety. 

 

 

Can add FIFA to that list with the CWC - game is rotten to the core sadly

[Ben]

42 minutes ago, duo said:

Can add FIFA to that list with the CWC - game is rotten to the core sadly

 

UEFA just need a fine paying though dont they ? None of this points reduction nonsense 

[Nucasol]

3 hours ago, Ben said:

 

UEFA just need a fine paying though dont they ? None of this points reduction nonsense 

Cash for Uncle Aleksander’s kitty. In no way corrupt.

[Armchair Pundit]

With all the money in that the Saudis have, surely they could pay for the best possible legal team in the world to tear the Premier League's obvious anti-competitive, investment restricting, outcome rigging rules to pieces - surely our owners had enough of the nonsense and want to legally challenge to be able to invest in their product to the same level as the legacy clubs? The mind boggles, it's just ridiculous and completely unnecessary. There's multiple ways of guaranteeing any spend without the club itself being at risk, from retaining funds to cover contracts to their fullest or owners signing something to put liability on them should they sell up, the current system is corrupt and utterly wrong. 

[MagMal]

Fuck it, just spend billions and pay the fines, I'm sick of how corrupt the games is now, we need to just out corrupt the bastards 

[BermyToon]

2 minutes ago, MagMal said:

Fuck it, just spend billions and pay the fines, I'm sick of how corrupt the games is now, we need to just out corrupt the bastards 

We need to do something indeed. Not sure how Man City is getting away with it.

[Stifler]

If it wasn’t for PSR, even if we had anchoring I’m telling you now that we’d win the league this year Instead of looking at 5-10 years down the line.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2025 by Stifler

[Wolfcastle]

Would love the gloves to come off now. There's little to lose anyway since were all shut-out of the CL places now, 6th-13th is all the same shit if there's no chance of moving beyond 6th.

Playing by the stupid system and playing fair is hurting us now and others are playing dirty and taking advantage of it even with the rules skewered in their favours to begin with.

[huss9]

hope Yasir being here last night made him realise we need to pump more money in through sponsors, any which way.

[Optimistic Nut]

On 24/08/2025 at 15:02, The College Dropout said:

The coefficient prize money in Europe is highly unfair.

 

It’s something that should be challenged along with the rules. It’s an unfair advantage to the already successful.  PIF won’t do it though. 

 

That was a shambles two seasons ago Man Utd earning way more than us despite a similar campaign in the CL.

[SteveM]

With the huge inflated price on player sales these days, surely the psr limits must be raised. 
 

At this current rate, soon clubs will no longer be able to purchase any players. 

 

Sorry if this has already been discussed. I just cannot see this being remotely sustainable.

[duo]

1 minute ago, SteveM said:

With the huge inflated price on player sales these days, surely the psr limits must be raised. 
 

At this current rate, soon clubs will no longer be able to purchase any players. 

 

Sorry if this has already been discussed. I just cannot see this being remotely sustainable.

They won't because it is working exactly as per design - protecting the cartels dominance

[SteveM]

1 minute ago, duo said:

They won't because it is working exactly as per design - protecting the cartels dominance

But it will become unsustainable, surely. Then what only transfers to the cartel clubs? The rules are an absolute farce. 

[Ben]

4 minutes ago, SteveM said:

With the huge inflated price on player sales these days, surely the psr limits must be raised. 
 

At this current rate, soon clubs will no longer be able to purchase any players. 

 

Sorry if this has already been discussed. I just cannot see this being remotely sustainable.

 

Im sure if a competent lawyer challenged PSR on so many issues it would be scrapped, but like everyone keeps saying it works for more clubs than it doesn't.