Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[janpawel]

11 hours ago, The Prophet said:

 

 

@The College Dropout have you seen these 2 tweets? Seen you mention the Isak FFP impact in a other thread

[The College Dropout]

I'l be so real, I don't know what those numbers mean.

 

I do know the Isak fee covers the costs of Wissa & Woltemode for about 3 seasons and not much else.

 

If that means we can sign 2 more players of that cost going forward with the Isak money - great. No use now, the squad is better but still fairly light and we are heading into a tough 3 month period.

 

I don't know how accurate anyone can predict the upcoming season and future seasons. The difference in revenue due to PL and CL performance year on year is gigantic. Like 30m+ variance this year and £80m+ the following years. More when you consider co-efficient could change.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2025 by The College Dropout

[FloydianMag]

Interesting take by someone who was involved in the business.

 

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/christian-purslow-airs-suspicion-transfer-32391255

[gbandit]

What Purslow hasn’t accounted for in that article is the fact that Slot will continue to take them backwards this season and it’ll be funny as fuck

[FloydianMag]

2 minutes ago, gbandit said:

What Purslow hasn’t accounted for in that article is the fact that Slot will continue to take them backwards this season and it’ll be funny as fuck

Even if Slot does take them back they’ll still have huge financial advantages over most of the clubs in the PL.

[Wolfcastle]

Heard it was a record window of spending.

Wasn't PSR/FFP supposedly brought in to bring down transfer fees and wages (as well as ticket price,  to make things more competitive and stop clubs getting into trouble)

Been a massive fail in what it was supposed to achieve.

The only thing it has succeeded in is protecting indefinitely the super league clubs from challengers. Almost as if that was the what it was for all along.

more people seem to be coming around to that at least.

 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2025 by Wolfcastle

[Turnbull2000]

24 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

Interesting take by someone who was involved in the business.

 

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/christian-purslow-airs-suspicion-transfer-32391255

 

Urghh, well that's not reassuring at all. Liverpool dominating the rest of the decade would be truly disgusting.

[Ben]

20 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

Even if Slot does take them back they’ll still have huge financial advantages over most of the clubs in the PL.

 

Their wage bill must have massively increased 

[FloydianMag]

13 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

Heard it was a record window of spending.

Wasn't PSR/FFP supposedly brought in to bring down transfer fees and wages (as well as ticket price,  to make things more competitive and stop clubs getting into trouble)

Been a massive fail in what it was supposed to achieve.

The only thing it has succeeded in is protecting indefinitely the super league clubs from challengers. Almost as if that was the what it was for all along.

more people seem to be coming around to that at least.

 

 

 

 

Wasn’t that the reason Simon Jordan voted for it when he owned Palace? He’s done a 180deg turn on that now though and accepts it’s there to protect the status quo and prevent competition.

[Stifler]

2 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

Wasn’t that the reason Simon Jordan voted for it when he owned Palace? He’s done a 180deg turn on that now though and accepts it’s there to protect the status quo and prevent competition.

Simon Jordan never voted for PSR, it didn’t come in until 3 years after he left Crystal Palace.

[FloydianMag]

Just now, Stifler said:

Simon Jordan never voted for PSR, it didn’t come in until 3 years after he left Crystal Palace.

Fair enough, he was an outspoken supporter of it until fairly recently.

[Geordie Magpie]

Anyone with a bit more of a financial brain than me able to explain what the Isak fee does for us in terms of PSR in simple way? Is that us not hearing PSR/FFP for the next 2-3 years? Is it going to help us transform over the next couple summers and keep spending big sums?

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

5 minutes ago, Geordie Magpie said:

Anyone with a bit more of a financial brain than me able to explain what the Isak fee does for us in terms of PSR in simple way? Is that us not hearing PSR/FFP for the next 2-3 years? Is it going to help us transform over the next couple summers and keep spending big sums?

& me in simple terms 

[Chicken Dancer]

1 minute ago, Geordie Magpie said:

Anyone with a bit more of a financial brain than me able to explain what the Isak fee does for us in terms of PSR in simple way? Is that us not hearing PSR/FFP for the next 2-3 years? Is it going to help us transform over the next couple summers and keep spending big sums?

 

I'm no expert, but you'd have to think given we have spent a net about £70m maybe? The Isak fee this year then the CL money to go on next years figures, we should be right up until 27 at the very earliest I think.

 

The wage bill probably has increased a little, but I doubt by astronomical amounts.

 

They're probably hoping Sanusi/Cordero have good loan spells so they can sell for a decent wedge. I don't agree with the ethics of that at all, but it's what the other teams who have such a strong PSR position are really good at. I was  disappointed we pulled the plug on Osula for the same reason, though I do get why Howe wanted to keep him. I suspect we had something lined up that didn't quite come off.

[bobbydazzla]

Transfer fees sky rocket each season 

Wages sky rocket each season 

 

But PSR regulations remain based on transfer fee and wage levels from many years ago with zero adjustments to reflect the actual market. Amirite ? 

[FloydianMag]

12 minutes ago, Geordie Magpie said:

Anyone with a bit more of a financial brain than me able to explain what the Isak fee does for us in terms of PSR in simple way? Is that us not hearing PSR/FFP for the next 2-3 years? Is it going to help us transform over the next couple summers and keep spending big sums?

Didn’t Jamie Rueben say that it leaves the club in good financial heath, whatever the fuck that means.

[Unbelievable]

1 hour ago, gbandit said:

What Purslow hasn’t accounted for in that article is the fact that Slot will continue to take them backwards this season and it’ll be funny as fuck

Continue to do what? If I’m not mistaken he’s made them PL champions when nobody expected it..?

[Kid Icarus]

When the standards took a nosedive more like. We were a game away from finishing 2nd.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2025 by Kid Icarus

[timeEd32]

8 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

I'l be so real, I don't know what those numbers mean.

 

I do know the Isak fee covers the costs of Wissa & Woltemode for about 3 seasons and not much else.

 

If that means we can sign 2 more players of that cost going forward with the Isak money - great. No use now, the squad is better but still fairly light and we are heading into a tough 3 month period.

 

I don't know how accurate anyone can predict the upcoming season and future seasons. The difference in revenue due to PL and CL performance year on year is gigantic. Like 30m+ variance this year and £80m+ the following years. More when you consider co-efficient could change.

 

 

 

 

You're missing the fact that Woltemade is essentially canceled out by dropping Isak's wages + amortisation.

 

In a vacuum (which we can't really do but for simplicity sake), Isak = Woltemade and the remaining profit spread over three years could = Wissa + another in the £12-14m annual cost range (e.g. a £50m player on £100k/wk). 

[Sibierski]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

Transfer fees sky rocket each season 

Wages sky rocket each season 

 

But PSR regulations remain based on transfer fee and wage levels from many years ago with zero adjustments to reflect the actual market. Amirite ? 

Yea, this is one of my major gripes with PSR. If it has to stay, at least increase the 3 year loss amount. Average players cost 50m+, the sky 6 after hoarding up all the young talent are then moving them on for £20m-£30m as it’s better value for the lower prem clubs.

 

Clubs in the middle then get squeezed out of contention.  
 

Sky 6 can then spend and keep the gap going over rest. 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2025 by Sibierski

[Jonas]

Think they want every other club to just know their place and the squeeze on ambition encouragous ambitous clubs to just saunter through the motions, clock in and cash the cheque like a good boy Brighton-style instead of the downward cycle Villa may be in as a result of crossing the line and trying.

[gbandit]

1 hour ago, Unbelievable said:

Continue to do what? If I’m not mistaken he’s made them PL champions when nobody expected it..?

They’re playing worse and worse under his tenure. Guaranteed it’s going to go sour for him this season and beyond at Liverpool 

[The College Dropout]

57 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

You're missing the fact that Woltemade is essentially canceled out by dropping Isak's wages + amortisation.

 

In a vacuum (which we can't really do but for simplicity sake), Isak = Woltemade and the remaining profit spread over three years could = Wissa + another in the £12-14m annual cost range (e.g. a £50m player on £100k/wk). 

The Isak PSR profit covers Nick W and Wissa for 3 years. That’s all. 
 

All of Isak’s amortisation disappears at once. That’s about £30m.  There’s roughly £33m of extra PSR headroom a year. That’s the PSR cost of Nick W and Wissa for 3 years 

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

The Isak PSR profit covers Nick W and Wissa for 3 years. That’s all. 
 

All of Isak’s amortisation disappears at once. That’s about £30m.  There’s roughly £33m of extra PSR headroom a year. That’s the PSR cost of Nick W and Wissa for 3 years 

Liverpool sell a Fringe player for £33m every year. 
 

 

Thats game changing. A large sales funnel every year. 

[timeEd32]

13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

The Isak PSR profit covers Nick W and Wissa for 3 years. That’s all. 
 

All of Isak’s amortisation disappears at once. That’s about £30m.  There’s roughly £33m of extra PSR headroom a year. That’s the PSR cost of Nick W and Wissa for 3 years 

 

It disappears all at once and we don't have to pay it every year for the next three years, along with his wages. That's the part you're missing.

 

If we had sold Isak and not signed any players to replace him then our wage bill would have gone down by ~£6m and our amortization costs would have dropped by £10m in each of the next three years.