Kid Icarus Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) He's barely started and had an injury ravaged season meaning he's either injured, trying to get back up to speed following an injury, and limited to cameos. The jumping to conclusions with our players based on very little never ceases to amaze me like. Edited February 16 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 33 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: He's barely started and had an injury ravaged season meaning he's either injured, trying to get back up to speed following an injury, and limited to cameos. The jumping to conclusions with our players based on very little never ceases to amaze me like. He hasn't been good since the CL season. Is that because of injuries? Yeah probably, but how long do you keep giving him a chance? We can't afford to wait 3/4 weeks for him to get back upto speed, we're at a pivotal point of the season. If you're not starting and you're getting 20 minutes to show why you should be starting, then you best put in a performance otherwise you'll be getting another cameo the week after. Miley came on and did well, and deserves his chance imo. I like Willock, but you have to earn you're place. I don't think he's done enough to keep his place. One good performance against a L1 team isn't enough imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 hours ago, Shak said: Under Howe if you're in the first team and playing well you'll keep your place generally, even if it's ahead of what on paper seems like the superior player. Dubravka is a good example of this, he's gone from having one foot out the door to starting ahead of a fully fit Pope because he's done well when forced into action. We've seen it before with Longstaff keeping his place ahead of Tonali and just the general unwillingness to have new signings come into the first team. If Miley comes in and plays well in a midfield three with Bruno and Tonali, I think there's a better than decent chance he doesn't give the spot back even when Joelinton is fully fit. Issue is getting that chance. Willock was obviously very poor yesterday but so was the whole team, there's an argument to be made that it would be very harsh that the takeaway from yesterday's game is that Willock blew his chance. I can see Eddie giving him another chance next week in a game where we'll hopefully have a much better foothold in the game. I'd like to see Miley given a run FWIW. I agree with most of that. But even as one of Willock’s biggest fans. I think he has been pretty poor all season bar a couple of games where he was great. I know he’s not played much. But he just looks miles off it most the while and not sure we can be carrying performances like what he’s churning out. In the hope he rediscovers his old form. Whereas in comparison. Miley has been shining in his cameos, has had far less chances but has done more with them. He has been our MOTM and one of our better performers in his two starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Wrong thread I know but to add to the conversation it’s pretty clear Willock benefits from playing alongside Joelinton and to be able to interchange. He’s not a midfielder. Also not the right thread but I feel Gordon is causing us structural problems all down that side of the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 7 minutes ago, LFEE said: Wrong thread I know but to add to the conversation it’s pretty clear Willock benefits from playing alongside Joelinton and to be able to interchange. He’s not a midfielder. Also not the right thread but I feel Gordon is causing us structural problems all down that side of the pitch. Agree on both points. I’m not pinning it all on Gordon. As it feels like some games, he is instructed to stay high. Sometimes closer to Isak and more narrow. Less often he is back to where I think he is best. Tracking back and supporting the full back on a regular basis. Getting up and down more in the style of an old fashioned winger. So it does change week to week. I just can’t put my finger on it with him. I’m sure I’m in the minority and it does sound ridiculous typing it out. But I have gone off him a bit as a player this season. Compared to what he offered and how involved he was last season. It’s like night and day. Even though his numbers are still decent enough. For what I’m assuming he is paid and how he is seemingly now untouchable from being moved from that left hand side. I feel like he could offer more. Not to bring back the ‘body language’ stuff again. But he always looks like he’s in a huff and pouting when he plays. Not like an angry guard dog going after an intruder, like last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Gordon is dispensable. Not really a purple for me, there’s no shortage of right footed LWs out there. He’s got a good mentality and speaks well etc. But the best sale we can make where we get 70m+ rather than Bruno, Tonali and Isak who are unique and I’d rather keep. Even Botman, Tino, Hall and Miley from that next tier down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I just don't think Forest is the game for Willock. They'll sit back so he won't be able to do his main thing without that space, unless we open the game up intentionally. Miley shows the signs of being a decent all-rounder who has good consistency in possession. Willock can be unbelievable in tight spaces but he can also be really clumsy. They'd target him for their press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 6 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Agree on both points. I’m not pinning it all on Gordon. As it feels like some games, he is instructed to stay high. Sometimes closer to Isak and more narrow. Less often he is back to where I think he is best. Tracking back and supporting the full back on a regular basis. Getting up and down more in the style of an old fashioned winger. So it does change week to week. I just can’t put my finger on it with him. I’m sure I’m in the minority and it does sound ridiculous typing it out. But I have gone off him a bit as a player this season. Compared to what he offered and how involved he was last season. It’s like night and day. Even though his numbers are still decent enough. For what I’m assuming he is paid and how he is seemingly now untouchable from being moved from that left hand side. I feel like he could offer more. Not to bring back the ‘body language’ stuff again. But he always looks like he’s in a huff and pouting when he plays. Not like an angry guard dog going after an intruder, like last season. 3 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: Gordon is dispensable. Not really a purple for me, there’s no shortage of right footed LWs out there. He’s got a good mentality and speaks well etc. But the best sale we can make where we get 70m+ rather than Bruno, Tonali and Isak who are unique and I’d rather keep. Even Botman, Tino, Hall and Miley from that next tier down. Agree with you both. Said both points you made to my mate this morning. I feel Gordon is sticking to pre programmed patterns which I personally feel takes away a lot from his game as I preferred him with a more instinctive and aggressive approach and was willing to take whatever rough edges and discipline issues that brought to the table as we could rotate with Barnes. The other being his importance to the squad and pecking order. He’d definitely be the first id sell if needed to and I’d think easiest to replace. Wouldn’t mind Willock getting a run there at times personally. Anyway… Miley needs more minutes and trust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 5 hours ago, Shak said: Under Howe if you're in the first team and playing well you'll keep your place generally, even if it's ahead of what on paper seems like the superior player. Dubravka is a good example of this, he's gone from having one foot out the door to starting ahead of a fully fit Pope because he's done well when forced into action. We've seen it before with Longstaff keeping his place ahead of Tonali and just the general unwillingness to have new signings come into the first team. If Miley comes in and plays well in a midfield three with Bruno and Tonali, I think there's a better than decent chance he doesn't give the spot back even when Joelinton is fully fit. Issue is getting that chance. Willock was obviously very poor yesterday but so was the whole team, there's an argument to be made that it would be very harsh that the takeaway from yesterday's game is that Willock blew his chance. I can see Eddie giving him another chance next week in a game where we'll hopefully have a much better foothold in the game. I'd like to see Miley given a run FWIW. Like I said yesterday, I watched the game again on the Sky extended highlights, and Willock was doing his job up until they scored. After that the whole team fell apart and we lost our shape. Miley brought some good composure to the game, but it was already lost by then, and the game had slowed down anyway. Not really sure how much you can judge off that second half. The other thing to consider is that Willock has played down the left side previously, and he's more of a natural replacement for Joelinton. If Miley comes in, he's either playing centrally or down the right, so that means shuffling the whole team around to accomodate him. Tonali ended up on the right yesterday, I'm not sure that's what I want to see in future games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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St1pe Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 5 hours ago, PauloGeordio said: That’s a serious endorsement from Howe that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 He's a really mature player for his age. Should be starting ahead of Willock every day of the week at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Definitely an argument for him being our 3rd CM against certain sides that we know are going to sit back against us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 So composed for his finish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just think of the English premium PSR profit when he turns 20, oooof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Think he can play LCM? Because I'd be all over a midfield of Miley Tonali Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Superb today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 He's already top class. Even when we were losing he was great on the ball and pinging it around with ease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 maturity and ongoing good health will see him bossing things out there eventually. His intelligence is evident and he has the tools as we know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 He is still playing ultra cautiously. Gonna be an absolute Colossus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelinton7 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Saw the guy in the u18-21’s a few times. He’s got so much more in his locker attacking wise. Just being cautious with him atm but over time Eddie will allow him to flourish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Putting Bruno to shame with his calmness on the ball, the lad is going places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Pat Nevin: I always look at young players, the end product is not there, it's about how they look at the game and how others want them on the ball. That's when you know they are a top player. The way Lewis Miley glides on the pitch, there are few that can do that. He is an international in waiting and has the world at his feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 We've not missed Tonali's passing ability because of this guy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 He's just class, I've never seen an 18 Yr old give the ball away so few times, and make good decisions while doing it. He only seems to turn it over when shooting or crossing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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