Lewis Miley

[ExiledGeordie]

6 minutes ago, Andy said:

 

I can't really see anything that Willock and Longstaff offer that he doesn't. Maybe pace in the case of Willock, but he rarely uses it effectively nowadays anyway... It would be easy, on the other hand, to list qualities that Miley brings to the table that they don't. 

 

For me, it's an easy choice at this stage. The only reason he isn't starting is inexperience. 

Yeah Howe is probably just easing him in slowly I guess. I wouldn’t mind seeing him start against Forest. 

[Rich]

Surely that’s him in now though?

[duo]

You would think - at least until Joelinton is back

[Cf]

20 minutes ago, duo said:

You would think - at least until Joelinton is back

 

And if he's performing well I wouldn't object to Joelinton spending a bit of time on the bench in the knowledge he has to bring his A game when he gets his chance. 

[Shak]

Under Howe if you're in the first team and playing well you'll keep your place generally, even if it's ahead of what on paper seems like the superior player.

 

Dubravka is a good example of this, he's gone from having one foot out the door to starting ahead of a fully fit Pope because he's done well when forced into action. We've seen it before with Longstaff keeping his place ahead of Tonali and just the general unwillingness to have new signings come into the first team.

 

If Miley comes in and plays well in a midfield three with Bruno and Tonali, I think there's a better than decent chance he doesn't give the spot back even when Joelinton is fully fit.

 

Issue is getting that chance. Willock was obviously very poor yesterday but so was the whole team, there's an argument to be made that it would be very harsh that the takeaway from yesterday's game is that Willock blew his chance. I can see Eddie giving him another chance next week in a game where we'll hopefully have a much better foothold in the game.

 

I'd like to see Miley given a run FWIW.

[Alberto2005]

2 minutes ago, Shak said:

Under Howe if you're in the first team and playing well you'll keep your place generally, even if it's ahead of what on paper seems like the superior player.

 

Dubravka is a good example of this, he's gone from having one foot out the door to starting ahead of a fully fit Pope because he's done well when forced into action. We've seen it before with Longstaff keeping his place ahead of Tonali and just the general unwillingness to have new signings come into the first team.

 

If Miley comes in and plays well in a midfield three with Bruno and Tonali, I think there's a better than decent chance he doesn't give the spot back even when Joelinton is fully fit.

 

Issue is getting that chance. Willock was obviously very poor yesterday but so was the whole team, there's an argument to be made that it would be very harsh that the takeaway from yesterday's game is that Willock blew his chance. I can see Eddie giving him another chance next week in a game where we'll hopefully have a much better foothold in the game.

 

I'd like to see Miley given a run FWIW.

Willock has had many chances imo, time to give Lewis a chance.

[Kid Icarus]

He's barely started and had an injury ravaged season meaning he's either injured, trying to get back up to speed following an injury, and limited to cameos.

 

The jumping to conclusions with our players based on very little never ceases to amaze me like.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 10:20 by Kid Icarus

[Alberto2005]

33 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

He's barely started and had an injury ravaged season meaning he's either injured, trying to get back up to speed following an injury, and limited to cameos.

 

The jumping to conclusions with our players based on very little never ceases to amaze me like.

 

 

 

He hasn't been good since the CL season.

 

Is that because of injuries? Yeah probably, but how long do you keep giving him a chance?

 

We can't afford to wait 3/4 weeks for him to get back upto speed, we're at a pivotal point of the season.

 

If you're not starting and you're getting 20 minutes to show why you should be starting, then you best put in a performance otherwise you'll be getting another cameo the week after.

 

Miley came on and did well, and deserves his chance imo.

 

I like Willock, but you have to earn you're place. I don't think he's done enough to keep his place.

 

One good performance against a L1 team isn't enough imo.

[Lush Vlad]

3 hours ago, Shak said:

Under Howe if you're in the first team and playing well you'll keep your place generally, even if it's ahead of what on paper seems like the superior player.

 

Dubravka is a good example of this, he's gone from having one foot out the door to starting ahead of a fully fit Pope because he's done well when forced into action. We've seen it before with Longstaff keeping his place ahead of Tonali and just the general unwillingness to have new signings come into the first team.

 

If Miley comes in and plays well in a midfield three with Bruno and Tonali, I think there's a better than decent chance he doesn't give the spot back even when Joelinton is fully fit.

 

Issue is getting that chance. Willock was obviously very poor yesterday but so was the whole team, there's an argument to be made that it would be very harsh that the takeaway from yesterday's game is that Willock blew his chance. I can see Eddie giving him another chance next week in a game where we'll hopefully have a much better foothold in the game.

 

I'd like to see Miley given a run FWIW.

I agree with most of that. But even as one of Willock’s biggest fans. I think he has been pretty poor all season bar a couple of games where he was great. 
 

I know he’s not played much. But he just looks miles off it most the while and not sure we can be carrying performances like what he’s churning out. In the hope he rediscovers his old form.

 

Whereas in comparison. Miley has been shining in his cameos, has had far less chances but has done more with them. He has been our MOTM and one of our better performers in his two starts. 

[LFEE]

Wrong thread I know but to add to the conversation it’s pretty clear Willock benefits from playing alongside Joelinton and to be able to interchange. He’s not a midfielder. 
 

Also not the right thread but I feel Gordon is causing us structural problems all down that side of the pitch.

[Lush Vlad]

7 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Wrong thread I know but to add to the conversation it’s pretty clear Willock benefits from playing alongside Joelinton and to be able to interchange. He’s not a midfielder. 
 

Also not the right thread but I feel Gordon is causing us structural problems all down that side of the pitch.

Agree on both points. 

 

I’m not pinning it all on Gordon. As it feels like some games, he is instructed to stay high. Sometimes closer to Isak and more narrow. Less often he is back to where I think he is best. Tracking back and supporting the full back on a regular basis. Getting up and down more in the style of an old fashioned winger. 
 

So it does change week to week. I just can’t put my finger on it with him. I’m sure I’m in the minority and it does sound ridiculous typing it out. But I have gone off him a bit as a player this season. Compared to what he offered and how involved he was last season. It’s like night and day. Even though his numbers are still decent enough.
 

For what I’m assuming he is paid and how he is seemingly now untouchable from being moved from that left hand side. I feel like he could offer more. 
 

Not to bring back the ‘body language’ stuff again. But he always looks like he’s in a huff and pouting when he plays. Not like an angry guard dog going after an intruder, like last season. 

[kingxlnc]

Gordon is dispensable. Not really a purple for me, there’s no shortage of right footed LWs out there. He’s got a good mentality and speaks well etc. But the best sale we can make where we get  70m+ rather than Bruno, Tonali and Isak who are unique and I’d rather keep. Even Botman, Tino, Hall and Miley from

that next tier down. 

[Gallowgate Toon]

I just don't think Forest is the game for Willock. They'll sit back so he won't be able to do his main thing without that space, unless we open the game up intentionally. 

 

Miley shows the signs of being a decent all-rounder who has good consistency in possession. Willock can be unbelievable in tight spaces but he can also be really clumsy. They'd target him for their press.

[LFEE]

6 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Agree on both points. 

 

I’m not pinning it all on Gordon. As it feels like some games, he is instructed to stay high. Sometimes closer to Isak and more narrow. Less often he is back to where I think he is best. Tracking back and supporting the full back on a regular basis. Getting up and down more in the style of an old fashioned winger. 
 

So it does change week to week. I just can’t put my finger on it with him. I’m sure I’m in the minority and it does sound ridiculous typing it out. But I have gone off him a bit as a player this season. Compared to what he offered and how involved he was last season. It’s like night and day. Even though his numbers are still decent enough.
 

For what I’m assuming he is paid and how he is seemingly now untouchable from being moved from that left hand side. I feel like he could offer more. 
 

Not to bring back the ‘body language’ stuff again. But he always looks like he’s in a huff and pouting when he plays. Not like an angry guard dog going after an intruder, like last season. 

 

3 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Gordon is dispensable. Not really a purple for me, there’s no shortage of right footed LWs out there. He’s got a good mentality and speaks well etc. But the best sale we can make where we get  70m+ rather than Bruno, Tonali and Isak who are unique and I’d rather keep. Even Botman, Tino, Hall and Miley from

that next tier down. 

Agree with you both. Said both points you made to my mate this morning.

 

I feel Gordon is sticking to pre programmed patterns which I personally feel takes away a lot from his game as I preferred him with a more instinctive and aggressive approach and was willing to take whatever rough edges and discipline issues that brought to the table as we could rotate with Barnes.

 

The other being his importance to the squad and pecking order. He’d definitely be the first id sell if needed to and I’d think easiest to replace. Wouldn’t mind Willock getting a run there at times personally.

 

Anyway…

 

Miley needs more minutes and trust.
 

[TRon]

5 hours ago, Shak said:

Under Howe if you're in the first team and playing well you'll keep your place generally, even if it's ahead of what on paper seems like the superior player.

 

Dubravka is a good example of this, he's gone from having one foot out the door to starting ahead of a fully fit Pope because he's done well when forced into action. We've seen it before with Longstaff keeping his place ahead of Tonali and just the general unwillingness to have new signings come into the first team.

 

If Miley comes in and plays well in a midfield three with Bruno and Tonali, I think there's a better than decent chance he doesn't give the spot back even when Joelinton is fully fit.

 

Issue is getting that chance. Willock was obviously very poor yesterday but so was the whole team, there's an argument to be made that it would be very harsh that the takeaway from yesterday's game is that Willock blew his chance. I can see Eddie giving him another chance next week in a game where we'll hopefully have a much better foothold in the game.

 

I'd like to see Miley given a run FWIW.

 

Like I said yesterday, I watched the game again on the Sky extended highlights, and Willock was doing his job up until they scored. After that the whole team fell apart and we lost our shape. Miley brought some good composure to the game, but it was already lost by then, and the game had slowed down anyway. Not really sure how much you can judge off that second half.

 

The other thing to consider is that Willock has played down the left side previously, and he's more of a natural replacement for Joelinton. If Miley comes in, he's either playing centrally or down the right, so that means shuffling the whole team around to accomodate him. Tonali ended up on the right yesterday, I'm not sure that's what I want to see in future games.

[PauloGeordio]

 

[St1pe]

5 hours ago, PauloGeordio said:

 

That’s a serious endorsement from Howe that. 

[toon25]

He's a really mature player for his age. Should be starting ahead of Willock every day of the week at the moment.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Definitely an argument for him being our 3rd CM against certain sides that we know are going to sit back against us.