TheBrownBottle Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 HBA better than Robert? Sacrilege. (I’m also owld enough to have watched Ginola. And I’d have Robert in my XI ahead of him). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 It’s a beautiful day to announce Sandro Tonali as a Newcastle player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Let's just sign Arda Guler then we can debate where he sits on that list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 22 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: HBA better than Robert? Sacrilege. (I’m also owld enough to have watched Ginola. And I’d have Robert in my XI ahead of him). Yep. In terms of productivity definitely Robert > HBA > Ginola. In terms of just watching HBA > Ginola > Robert. Loved Ginola and still the only play I greeted on day of his signing. Ultimately though his numbers weren’t anywhere near as good as the others or even ASM who people moan about ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 2 hours ago, cubaricho said: Awwww he passed away a few years back. ? I’m actually hanging with his dad next week for the first time in a few years too! RIP Charles N'Dogbia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 3 hours ago, cubaricho said: Awwww he passed away a few years back. ? I’m actually hanging with his dad next week for the first time in a few years too! No chance of a Nick Pup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 5 hours ago, gjohnson said: Better player by far but Robert was far more effective and transformative to a team. Ginola was a much better footballer by far but in terms of a team Ginola inched a good team to being great, Robert (and Bellamy) took an average team to almost great. I saw both and would take Robert over Ginola in a heartbeat in today's game. Both moody and lazy, one could dazzle with tricks and dribbles every game and produce nothing but entertainment, the other would do the square route of sod all for a game, then win the next three by himself. Agree entirely. Ginola was a luxury that we couldn't carry at that stage under Sir Bobby and football generally has gone like that now. Even a Man City might not risk a Ginola, Tino, Le-Tissier type now. Substance over style. If you can win with the style that would be perfect though so its a personal interpreation of what 'best' is and whether entertainment overrides practicality. As he's come up I often think that way about N'Zogbia and Milner. N'Zogbia, to me and with us, was the better 'footballer' most ability, style but Milner's attitude was better and look at their careers. Milner would often not look good, horrible shots, crosses but he wouldn't hide the next time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahoneys Tache Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: Agree entirely. Ginola was a luxury that we couldn't carry at that stage under Sir Bobby and football generally has gone like that now. Even a Man City might not risk a Ginola, Tino, Le-Tissier type now. Substance over style. If you can win with the style that would be perfect though so its a personal interpreation of what 'best' is and whether entertainment overrides practicality. As he's come up I often think that way about N'Zogbia and Milner. N'Zogbia, to me and with us, was the better 'footballer' most ability, style but Milner's attitude was better and look at their careers. Milner would often not look good, horrible shots, crosses but he wouldn't hide the next time. Beardsley was the rarest of beasts that had both. If he was South American or Italian or from anywhere but Benwell he’d have got more recognition than he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Deputy Dawg UK said: So are you buddy !! Still mates ?? @Deuce @Yorkie I could leave this forum now and be happy with this redemption arc between Deputy Dawg and I Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 The Mail reporting that the fee for this is actually £52 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: The Mail reporting that the fee for this is actually £52 million. 23 million left to spend then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: The Mail reporting that the fee for this is actually £52 million. Sounds about right. We were never going to go from £45m to £70m in negotiations ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 When were talking about productivity I think were forgetting Ginola/Gillespie's constant supply to Ferdinand being the most prominent feature of our attacking in those days. Every time either had the ball on the flank it was a threat. 1 minute ago, Mahoneys Tache said: Beardsley was the rarest of beasts that had both. If he was South American or Italian or from anywhere but Benwell he’d have got more recognition than he did. Too right. As good at tackling as he was nut-megging, scorer of worldies, creator supreme whilst having a 'water-carriers' work ethic. As highly rated as he is, it doesn't seem enough when you think about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Just now, LFEE said: Sounds about right. We were never going to go from £45m to £70m in negotiations ? That's a Chelsea thing to do, not us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: The Mail reporting that the fee for this is actually £52 million. So thats €60m, others where reporting it was a €70m fee, maybe the €10m difference in the add-ons, and people reporting the higher fee was Milan's side trying to save face for selling their young starlet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 good article here from a statistical perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 18 minutes ago, Mahoneys Tache said: Beardsley was the rarest of beasts that had both. If he was South American or Italian or from anywhere but Benwell he’d have got more recognition than he did. *Longbenton Agree though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 3 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: HBA better than Robert? Sacrilege. (I’m also owld enough to have watched Ginola. And I’d have Robert in my XI ahead of him). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Those assists numbers look made up, think it was about half that for Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Yeah that's not accurate like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Those assists numbers look made up, think it was about half that for Robert I'm sure some places consider shots that have been tapped in from a rebound, or winning a pen as an assist. I'd not be surprised in the least if that takes him over 20. Might dust off the old Return of the Entertainers DVD tonight and count. Edited June 26, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 30 minutes ago, 54 said: So thats €60m, others where reporting it was a €70m fee, maybe the €10m difference in the add-ons, and people reporting the higher fee was Milan's side trying to save face for selling their young starlet? Some where reporting as high as £70/€80 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. TC Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 33 minutes ago, Jonas said: . Too right. As good at tackling as he was nut-megging, scorer of worldies, creator supreme whilst having a 'water-carriers' work ethic. As highly rated as he is, it doesn't seem enough when you think about it. By far the best player I have ever seen in person (Beardsley). As you say, he had everything, even to the end of his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 17 minutes ago, Dr. TC said: By far the best player I have ever seen in person (Beardsley). As you say, he had everything, even to the end of his career. Week in week out also. Very rarely had anything close to an off game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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