Matt1892 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 30 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said: There is literally 0 evidence to doubt the gambling addiction. There is, as people get reduced sentences if they acknowledge they have an addiction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Matt1892 said: I don’t see it as being pro punishment, I see it as wanting what is best for the success of this football club and us trying to manoeuvre against an already difficult situation that is designed to stop us being able to compete. If the best thing for our short term success is him being sacked and pursued in court then that is what we should do. What upside would there be to sacking him though? We're not going to get our money back off him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 I dont want to punish him, but if we have any options that helps Newcastle we shouldnt take any considerations about what happens to Tonali. He hasnt built up any good will coming to us in these circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Matt1892 said: There is, as people get reduced sentences if they acknowledge they have an addiction. I mean there has to be some form of addiction as he has broken rules knowingly due to his inability to resist the temptation. Where the grey area is, is if he has willingly broken the rules because he thought he could get away with it easily and could have stopped gambling at any moment. But i imagine the truth is somewhere inbetween. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms. what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg. we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bally21 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, James said: We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms. what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg. we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated. "He has to be terminated." I assume you mean his contract (as opposed to him personally). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Murder him, righto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: What upside would there be to sacking him though? We're not going to get our money back off him. I don’t think for a moment we would sack him unless we were confident of being able to either sue him or Milan for the loss of transfer fee, which is what Chelsea did with Mutu. If we were in a position where we could sue him which would see the transfer fee adjusted on the outgoings sheet then it should be something we should be exploring, this Will obviously depend on the length of the ban but he could be looking at an 18 month ban here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Who’s going to do the killing? Eddie himself in Ned Stark fashion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, James said: We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms. what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg. we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated. If anything its further evidence of his leadership qualities that we can lean on once he's settled in and back in the fold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 He’s sent his pals a link, let’s not make this sound like he’s the leader of a cult in the woods ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Need full info first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, James said: We are being overly focused about Tonali’s illness as we defend him but we forget a key part of the evidence against him - testimonies from other players that he was acting as an enabler, making it possible for other young Italian players to access illegal gambling platforms. what is known is only from a few testimonies to date. Might well only be the tip of the iceberg. we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated. I know we are trying to piece bits together with the information that has been leaked but that lad who has been banned for 7 months, apparently he turned himself in to the authorities due to the financial mess he had got himself in to and hadn’t been betting on football. Tonali on the other hand didn’t turn himself in, instead the police went to the national team hotel and confiscated his phone and tablet, then it is alleged he bet on games he was playing in. This might not be exact but this is the information that has been leaking out, if it is true then no way is he going to get the same ban as the other lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Hopefully he’s proved himself to be an asset to the team and is supported as such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Just now, RS said: Hopefully he’s proved himself to be an asset to the team and is supported as such. Some of our fans think he’s shit, so we should naturally sack him before he leads our juniors astray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordJake Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, wormy said: If anything its further evidence of his leadership qualities that we can lean on once he's settled in and back in the fold. True. This is how AA and GA works well with the aid of sponsors, people with the same lived experiences. He’d be in a position to teach others of the pitfalls and warning signs of addiction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, gbandit said: Who’s going to do the killing? Eddie himself in Ned Stark fashion? As the phrase was terminated it has to be Botman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) ...this is not a thread you can dip into and just read the last page every day Edited October 19, 2023 by HawK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 I can’t wait for the day we find out James is a parody poster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 5 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Wondering what? That he's bet against us days after all this has come out? Come on man. His mental state given all that's gone on is a different matter though and one only he and probably Howe will be able to make the call on collectively. People will wonder , for all we know you can bet your bottom dollar his actions will be checked here, do you not think some people will be asking the same question about Ivan Toney when he returns? doubts will always be there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Shearergol said: I can’t wait for the day we find out James is a parody poster Don't we know already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 31 minutes ago, James said: we can not have him near our young players. He has to be terminated. ffs James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 26 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: I don’t think for a moment we would sack him unless we were confident of being able to either sue him or Milan for the loss of transfer fee, which is what Chelsea did with Mutu. If we were in a position where we could sue him which would see the transfer fee adjusted on the outgoings sheet then it should be something we should be exploring, this Will obviously depend on the length of the ban but he could be looking at an 18 month ban here. Lot's of ifs and buts there. Given the current state of play, with what we know, it'd be daft to sack him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: Lot's of ifs and buts there. Given the current state of play, with what we know, it'd be daft to sack him. The whole thread is ifs and buts, in the same way it is daft to defend him without knowing the extent of the ban or what he has done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, wyn davies said: People will wonder , for all we know you can bet your bottom dollar his actions will be checked here, do you not think some people will be asking the same question about Ivan Toney when he returns? doubts will always be there. If he really is an addict it would be nieve to think he isn't atleast itching to text a mate to stick an accy on like You would hope that if he is addicted, this is rock bottom, and has caused something to click, but continuing to gamble even after being caught wouldn't be out of the ordinary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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