The College Dropout Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 The banning thing doesn't make much sense when you think about it. They should be able to play. But get hefty fines. Like 80% of their salaries for a couple of years. And banned from getting contract extensions or pay increases for those periods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 For him to be available from August feels like a reasonable result when the maximum was up to three years. I still think it's overboard though, given the victimless nature of the offence. But to ban him from training is an utterly draconian, overzealous and regressive way to deal with the situation, and I'd say that even if he didn't have an addiction. If there's any proof that he's actually used his privileged position to game the system - at the expense of the sport's integrity - then fine. But I see absolutely no indication that that has actually happened and therefore the punishment far, far outweighs the crime. Not to mention the other point that everyone rightly makes about the sport's hypocritical position re gambling culture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: The banning thing doesn't make much sense when you think about it. They should be able to play. But get hefty fines. Like 80% of their salaries for a couple of years. And banned from getting contract extensions or pay increases for those periods. It makes perfect sense. They sacrifice a part of their career, and it acts as a warning to others. It means that clubs take an element of responsibility for ensuring that their players are following the rules (and the law). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 I’m sure Liverpool and Tottenham will be in FA’s ear to make sure he isn’t allowed to train. Not that I have an idea what the FA can and can not do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 The ‘no training’ element to this is complete horseshit though - mindlessly punitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: It makes perfect sense. They sacrifice a part of their career, and it acts as a warning to others. It means that clubs take an element of responsibility for ensuring that their players are following the rules (and the law). How can clubs take responsibility for people gambling? Toney had a £50,000 fine. He'll likely earn millions for sitting on his arse with his ban. Make that a £1.25m fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Yorkie said: For him to be available from August feels like a reasonable result when the maximum was up to three years. I still think it's overboard though, given the victimless nature of the offence. But to ban him from training is an utterly draconian, overzealous and regressive way to deal with the situation, and I'd say that even if he didn't have an addiction. If there's any proof that he's actually used his privileged position to game the system - at the expense of the sport's integrity - then fine. But I see absolutely no indication that that has actually happened and therefore the punishment far, far outweighs the crime. Not to mention the other point that everyone rightly makes about the sport's hypocritical position re gambling culture. If he can't train I can imagine the next 8 months or so being hell for him. Ideally you'd have wanted him here the whole time training, learning the lingo, etc. but it's only natural he's going to need to split his time between here and Italy where he'll have his family around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: How can clubs take responsibility for people gambling? Toney had a £50,000 fine. He'll likely earn millions for sitting on his arse with his ban. Make that a £1.25m fine. Do both, if you like. But I’m in full agreement with extensive bans for breaching gambling regs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 10 months ain't too bad just like if he did his ACL really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 The lesson here is that if you are a pro footballer and have the choice between betting on football, skipping a drugs test (Rio) or kicking a fan in the face (cantina). You should always choose kicking a fan in the face or skipping that drugs test Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 55 minutes ago, Ikon said: I’m ok with 10 months if allowed to train. Otherwise it’s fucking stupid in every way. Agreed. Surely for an athlete rehabilitation has to include training. The TV currently recommend a 10 min walk to help mental health! Taking away this option for him does not help with rehabilitation or his mental state!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) I think a ban is the only real detterent. The issue is there doesn't seem to be any real thought behind it outside of "throw the book at them". A 5 game ban could be sufficient for example? There's no science behind a 10 month ban, just as there wasn't behind Toney's ban, it's just an arbitrary 'long ban' decided by people who frequently show they're completely out of touch. Footballers should be able to bet on football*, there's no reason for them not to, prohibition doesn't work. The extent of modern markets means it's impossible to stop outside of stupidity (such as Sandro's case) so these bans will not effect anyone wanting to fix a market. If you remove prohibition, any player still skirting the rules can reasonably have the book thrown at them without much sympathy. *The FAs/FIFA could easily set up things which allow players to bet on certain markets. Edited October 24, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, Gazzaschicken said: The lesson here is that if you are a pro footballer and have the choice between betting on football, skipping a drugs test (Rio) or kicking a fan in the face (cantina). You should always choose kicking a fan in the face or skipping that drugs test have to imagine that wouldn’t be the case nowadays though mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Even long drug bans are nonsensical unless it's performanceenhancing, banging cocaine on a weekend is hardly going to improve a players performances Wasn't it weed with Rio anyway? Nobody is sucking buckets to make themselves run faster. Fines and forced rehab would make much more sense imo. Edited October 24, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said: Agreed. Surely for an athlete rehabilitation has to include training. The TV currently recommend a 10 min walk to help mental health! Taking away this option for him does not help with rehabilitation or his mental state!! I’m sure Eddie will have a personal trainer lined up and loads of videos for him to study(not bluey’s). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Ikon said: Definitely. The fitness part isn’t the problem really. It’s more the mental side of if. Social side, feeling a part of something, team mates and the support and everyday things that makes it easier to come through strongly. Totally different struggle otherwise, especially in a new country and culture. I would imagine the club will find a way to keep him integrated in the squad, Ashley would have washed his hands and forgot about him but now it's a different story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mattoon said: I would imagine the club will find a way to keep him integrated in the squad, Ashley would have washed his hands and forgot about him but now it's a different story. For sure, can’t see it any other way. I just think that not being involved in rather normal everyday stuff like training will have a massive negative effect. Would be extremely surprised if it didn’t. He is used to play football every day and has done so since he was a kid. Never mind in a new environment. Not being forced to stay away from that would be a massive massive step away from entering a much deeper depression. I’m sure it will be tough enough anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicente_14 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mattoon said: I would imagine the club will find a way to keep him integrated in the squad, Ashley would have washed his hands and forgot about him but now it's a different story. Think it was Krafth, might be wrong, who did some scouting and stuff to keep him involved and in and around the group whilst on the long road to recovery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Matty Longstaff doesn't play for us but the club are helping him get fit to find a club, can we not do the same with Tonali? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: Matty Longstaff doesn't play for us but the club are helping him get fit to find a club, can we not do the same with Tonali? Do you mean keeping Tonali fit? If so, keeping him fit ain’t the problem imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, SUPERTOON said: Hope reckons it will be before the game. can we just unplug the fax machine? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Why is Fagioli only 7 months and Tonali 10 months? Wasn't Fagioli the main perpertrator in the first place? Also the hypocritical nature of all of this - it's okay to take tens of millions in sponsorships from betting companies but if one of the players indulge in their sponsors products then hell hath no fury Imagine if they had this type of furore every time a player had a can of Budweiser Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: Why is Fagioli only 7 months and Tonali 10 months? Wasn't Fagioli the main perpertrator in the first place? Also the hypocritical nature of all of this - it's okay to take tens of millions in sponsorships from betting companies but if one of the players indulge in their sponsors products then hell hath no fury Imagine if they had this type of furore every time a player had a can of Budweiser No one really knows tbh, it’s all just media talk at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 My concern is that this won’t be the end of it, as I am presuming that if he is a gambling addict that he didn’t stop betting on football once he signed for us, meaning the FA could still get involved with a separate ban for his time here. You would think that this would run concurrently but they took an age with Toney’s case that it might not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 51 minutes ago, Kanji said: have to imagine that wouldn’t be the case nowadays though mate. Due to inflation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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