Pata Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 41 minutes ago, STM said: I always find it extremely dangerous when people say things like "we need a CB with pace" because it implies that the rest of their game doesn't matter. When in reality, a smart centre back/left back will always out perform a quick one. That's a weird simplification, when someone says that I never assume pace is the only thing they are looking for in a new CB. CB can also be both smart and quick and will obviously outperform a smart but slow CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 hour ago, AJ9 said: Honestly man, what is the matter with people this summer? Some of the things people are spouting are completely skewed. We’ve not had two years since the takeover. I got a 7 day ban for calling 2 posters "dumb cunts" Funnily enough that was over Targett and the suggestion 'Howe shouldn't have bought him because he clearly thinks he's shit' type drivel. Lost count of the number of times I've deleted "dumb cunt" from my posts lately ???? I'm a better person for it tho ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, jack j said: Whats the guarantee of getting stronger though? Ffp is being a huge pain in the cunt already to us and that's with us being champions league If we come say 7th next season how will we be in a position of being able to get stronger? In the same way it didn't stop Man City from growing and hasn't stopped us so far. The CL money isn't as vital to maintaining our standard as it was or as it likely is Spurs and others. We'll have a stronger side this time next year than we do now with less Ashley players and more non-Ashley ones. Edited July 24, 2023 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 42 minutes ago, STM said: The issue is that it all has to come together. For example, what are we going to get for Targett 15m? If we are lucky. So straight off the bat you are likely looking to add 20m to that, to get close to a quality left back. What does 35m get you these days? Tierney maybe? Loads have said he's not worth that due to his injury record. The LBs just aren't out there. Not at sensible prices. There definitely seems to be a lack of difference-making LBs. It could possibly work for someone like Hall though who is not on big wages right now. It's Targett's wages, not his fee, that could unlock a purchase. Hypothetical exercise Sell Targett for ~£12m - break even on remaining fee Remove £5.2m in wages Buy Hall for £40m* (+ some add ons maybe) - £8m per year FFP £60k/wk (huge pay rise) = £3.1m Net: £5.9m in new money or roughly the equivalent of a £22m player on £40k/wk * I have no idea what Chelsea would want ----------------------------- Honestly I think it's more likely we're banking on a return to form for Targett as he gets further removed from injury and gets his fitness up. But if he doesn't become a much more significant contributor this season his wages are probably the single worst thing on our books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Why do people keep criticising Targett and saying he hasn't enough pace. Well, Trippier is no speed merchant either but he is one hell of a player. His lack of pace is very much helped by the pace of Almiron. We haven't had an equivalent on the left side to compliment our LB and give the team balance. Hopefully Barnes will fill that gap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 There’s hardly owt to hate about targett. I don’t get it. People going on like he’s Nicky Butt level of shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 No reason to hate Targett or Dan Burn for that matter, both are good players who most of us will be happy enough to see stay. LB is the most obvious area of our first XI which could be upgraded though, I would say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, jackyboy said: Why do people keep criticising Targett and saying he hasn't enough pace. Well, Trippier is no speed merchant either but he is one hell of a player. His lack of pace is very much helped by the pace of Almiron. We haven't had an equivalent on the left side to compliment our LB and give the team balance. Hopefully Barnes will fill that gap Trippier’s one of the best fullbacks in Europe. There’s that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 hour ago, STM said: The problem is, we aren't in the position where we can just add "pace". When we sign players, they must have everything to succeed. I always find it extremely dangerous when people say things like "we need a CB with pace" because it implies that the rest of their game doesn't matter. When in reality, a smart centre back/left back will always out perform a quick one. I wasn't directing that at you mind, I get what you mean and I'm sure they are looking. Ultimately I'd rather wait 6/12 months for the right player. Its absolutely no good signing someone if they aren't immediately better than Burn/Targett. Even the likes of Tierney (who I like) have been dismissed, Robinson wasn't fancied, that Leverkusen LB went elsewhere etc. We should wait for a Cancelo/ Hernandez level LB or a youngster who could become that (Hall is a good shout) but we shouldn't drop our standards because of our fans are cry-arsing about Burn and Targett. The back line looked shaky towards the end of last season after the change in play style (and one clean sheet in the entire second half of the league season is not exactly the sort of numbers good back lines put up). They’re even more likely to be exposed this coming season - an injection of pace is required. And it is the right side which looks the weakest - Schar more than anyone else was becoming error prone towards the end of last season, not helped by Trippier being out of position regularly. I’ve just watched the highlights of the Villa friendly - and while it’s just a warm-up game, those frailties looked like they were there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: The back line looked shaky towards the end of last season after the change in play style (and one clean sheet in the entire second half of the league season is not exactly the sort of numbers good back lines put up). They’re even more likely to be exposed this coming season - an injection of pace is required. And it is the right side which looks the weakest - Schar more than anyone else was becoming error prone towards the end of last season, not helped by Trippier being out of position regularly. I’ve just watched the highlights of the Villa friendly - and while it’s just a warm-up game, those frailties looked like they were there. Getting a good pacy CB alongside Botman should be the priority now. I’m not sold on Burn at LB but if it was a choice of one more signing I’d go for a CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: Getting a good pacy CB alongside Botman should be the priority now. I’m not sold on Burn at LB but if it was a choice of one more signing I’d go for a CB. Agreed - RCB is the obvious position to recruit into for me. Botman is an excellent centre half, but he’s very slow for a PL defender. A quick no.5 alongside him would help mop up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Good to see some of the more level headed posters restoring a bit of sanity ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Agreed - RCB is the obvious position to recruit into for me. Botman is an excellent centre half, but he’s very slow for a PL defender. A quick no.5 alongside him would help mop up He’s in no way “slow”. I don’t understand that take whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said: He’s in no way “slow”. I don’t understand that take whatsoever. He's the opposite of 'quick' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: He's the opposite of 'quick' Well he clearly isn’t. He’s not the fastest, but he’s certainly not slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) Let’s play a game to see who has got the most stupid fucking opinion on this forum. I’ll start us off - Eddie Howe isn’t a top manager. Anyone else want to outdo me? Edited July 24, 2023 by AJ9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Dont ask for more when there's tens of thousands of pages of it already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Apologies I probs need a break from this place. It’s driving me up the wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejaxer Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, AJ9 said: Let’s play a game to see who has got the most stupid fucking opinion on this forum. I’ll start us off - Eddie Howe isn’t a top manager. Anyone else want to outdo me? Steve Bruce wasn't that bad, fans were too harsh on him. Silver fox deserves more credit for getting us to 5th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, mikejaxer said: Steve Bruce wasn't that bad, fans were too harsh on him. Silver fox deserves more credit for getting us to 5th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, mikejaxer said: Steve Bruce wasn't that bad, fans were too harsh on him. Silver fox deserves more credit for getting us to 5th Alexander Isak’s too skinny to make it in English football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Myleftboot said: Alexander Isak’s too skinny to make it in English football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) I've just come into this thread for the first time today and I saw this: The fuck is going on in here Edited July 24, 2023 by 54 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 54 said: I've just come into this thread for the first time today and I saw this: The fuck is going on in here Go up 9 posts. ☝️ Edited July 24, 2023 by Myleftboot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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