NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Ben]

1 hour ago, Gawalls said:

You don’t know that - none of us know where we’re with in PSR except we flew so close to the sun last season.  If that £65m we spend on Guehi puts us say £15m in the red then it’s not absolutely worth it as we cannot sell players to make that up.

 

 Balancing revenue at this club for the next few years will be difficult as most of the old regime players are unsellable and we can’t tap into that.

 

I can't believe more hasn't been made of the EPL bailing Man Utd out with the covid loan and the Glazers putting the cost of the takeover onto the club instead of paying it themselves.

[Upthemags]

3 hours ago, Mazzy said:

 

I know it's all guesswork but this is pretty much the crux of it. Guehi probably isn't worth £65/70M considering everything. BUT, if we lose Schar or even Burn/Kelly for any longer than a couple of matches, having Guehi there is then absolutely worth paying that £65M.

 

Imagine having to play Krafth and Burn CB pair in the League Cup Final or FA Cup Semi against any top side. There's no doubt we need a top quality CB in ASAP and Guehi is that.

dont think any level of spin makes Marc Guehi worth 65m tbf. Think the league agrees as well, as that seems ballpark of Palace's estimate, and no one seems to be coming close of that valuation, ourselves included.

 

Worth pointing out - smart clubs don't go around plunking down 15m extra cash in a PSR world just because X player fits the system well. That's just a surefire way to be unprofitable, as you'll never make back what you expended.

 

What we really need is to give Mitchell the reins to do what he does best, and let Eddie do what he does best, and keep them segregated best we can. A Monaco/Mitchell style system where we bring in scores of youthful talent on cheap, both to grow the first team and make profitable transfer business is what's needed to press on. Guehi never fit the bill and was clearly straight off the Eddie wishlist, and I hope PIF will have the cajones to say to him in future windows that transfers aren't his turf anymore.

[Ben]

5 minutes ago, Upthemags said:

dont think any level of spin makes Marc Guehi worth 65m tbf. Think the league agrees as well, as that seems ballpark of Palace's estimate, and no one seems to be coming close of that valuation, ourselves included.

 

Worth pointing out - smart clubs don't go around plunking down 15m extra cash in a PSR world just because X player fits the system well. That's just a surefire way to be unprofitable, as you'll never make back what you expended.

 

What we really need is to give Mitchell the reins to do what he does best, and let Eddie do what he does best, and keep them segregated best we can. A Monaco/Mitchell style system where we bring in scores of youthful talent on cheap, both to grow the first team and make profitable transfer business is what's needed to press on. Guehi never fit the bill and was clearly straight off the Eddie wishlist, and I hope PIF will have the cajones to say to him in future windows that transfers aren't his turf anymore.

 

See ya Eddie, its been emotional 

[Upthemags]

1 minute ago, Ben said:

 

See ya Eddie, its been emotional 

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[ExiledGeordie]

Just now, Upthemags said:

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I think his point is you’re insinuating that Howe has no control over transfers moving forwards? I don’t see that working either. Plus we don’t know whether Guehi was exclusively a Howe choice, there’s usually a collective decision on targets.

[Upthemags]

1 minute ago, ExiledGeordie said:

I think his point is you’re insinuating that Howe has no control over transfers moving forwards? I don’t see that working either. Plus we don’t know whether Guehi was exclusively a Howe choice, there’s usually a collective decision on targets.

Thats a possible interpretation for him to have I guess, but nowhere did I say that. Any functional transfer system would have active feedback/input from Howe.

 

With that said, in any functional system, an elite DoF who's performed time and again at multiple clubs can't have a manager calling the shots over his head. Surely all'd agree that Howe is at his best when he's managing the squad.

 

Yes, we don't know Guehi was solely a Howe move. But it does look like one.

[Gawalls]

5 minutes ago, Upthemags said:

Thats a possible interpretation for him to have I guess, but nowhere did I say that. Any functional transfer system would have active feedback/input from Howe.

 

With that said, in any functional system, an elite DoF who's performed time and again at multiple clubs can't have a manager calling the shots over his head. Surely all'd agree that Howe is at his best when he's managing the squad.

 

Yes, we don't know Guehi was solely a Howe move. But it does look like one.

I do agree with you on the point of letting people excel at what their best at so trust both Mitchell and Howe on that, you don’t employ Bill Gates to set up laptops for example.

[Ben]

16 minutes ago, Upthemags said:

Thats a possible interpretation for him to have I guess, but nowhere did I say that. Any functional transfer system would have active feedback/input from Howe.

 

With that said, in any functional system, an elite DoF who's performed time and again at multiple clubs can't have a manager calling the shots over his head. Surely all'd agree that Howe is at his best when he's managing the squad.

 

Yes, we don't know Guehi was solely a Howe move. But it does look like one.

You did say to keep Mitchell and Howe segregated and not pick off the Howe wish list.

[ExiledGeordie]

8 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

I do agree with you on the point of letting people excel at what their best at so trust both Mitchell and Howe on that, you don’t employ Bill Gates to set up laptops for example.

We’ve got all the right people in the right places now. Mitchel is known for unearthing gems and I’m sure we’ll see those in the medium and long term. Occasionally when a big player becomes available though there’s no harm in going for them whether it’s a Howe biased, Mitchel biased or dual decision. Like any working relationships one needs to respect the others viewpoint otherwise it won’t work. For what we need right now Howe and Mitchel are ideal. 

[Coffee_Johnny]

10 hours ago, gbandit said:

What happened to the Yilmaz rumours? A definitive end to them or just gone quiet?

No definitive press about this, so:

a) it is lined up and we need to get Guehi/an affordable option in first;

b) it wasn’t a goer for whatever reason;

c) it was all a load of bollocks. 
 

If, IF, we signed Yilmaz and Guehi then that would be two of my top five (realistic) wish list from the Euros and I’d/we’d all be cock a hoop about our prospects this season. Nobody, not even Man City, would feel confident about playing against a forward line of Gordon, Isak and Yilmaz. We would run most teams absolutely ragged. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Coffee_Johnny

[Coffee_Johnny]

I wonder how much not (yet) being able to move on players who are clearly surpass to requirements is hampering us in terms of what we can offer for players we want? 
 

There’s been a lot of talk about Miggy, but what about Dubravka, Lewis, Fraser, Hayden off the top of my head. Are there others? Wonder how much it would spending power it would release? 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Coffee_Johnny

[STM]

3 hours ago, Upthemags said:

dont think any level of spin makes Marc Guehi worth 65m tbf. Think the league agrees as well, as that seems ballpark of Palace's estimate, and no one seems to be coming close of that valuation, ourselves included.

 

Worth pointing out - smart clubs don't go around plunking down 15m extra cash in a PSR world just because X player fits the system well. That's just a surefire way to be unprofitable, as you'll never make back what you expended.

 

What we really need is to give Mitchell the reins to do what he does best, and let Eddie do what he does best, and keep them segregated best we can. A Monaco/Mitchell style system where we bring in scores of youthful talent on cheap, both to grow the first team and make profitable transfer business is what's needed to press on. Guehi never fit the bill and was clearly straight off the Eddie wishlist, and I hope PIF will have the cajones to say to him in future windows that transfers aren't his turf anymore.

 

I disagree with pretty much all of this.

[Bimpy474]

Just imo, a manager should always have a say in transfers. He knows what his teams needs more than most, he may not get his first choices, but what players he does get, he should have had input on. 

 

While I don't want a manager to have the freedom to go mental, I'm no fan of the here's the players, get on with it system. It has to be happy medium struck in player buys.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Bimpy474

[Upthemags]

9 minutes ago, STM said:

 

I disagree with pretty much all of this.

No worries mate

[arnonel]

I think the bid on Guehi suggests the plan is to challenge top 4 this year and that they think this is realistic. 

If they didnt, and the plan was to challenge top 4 next season, we would be going after someone we can develop.

[Matt1892]

17 days to go before the transfer window slams shut.

[Nucasol]

2 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

17 days to go before the transfer window slams shut.

Does it “slam shut”? Or does it “ease slowly towards a widely signposted and known closure time and date with an ever diminishing amount of space to get deals through over the course of the period?
 

I believe it’s the latter, despite SSN’s dramatisation of the former description. However, Jim White can’t get a bone on unless the window comes crashing to an abrupt stop.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

8 minutes ago, arnonel said:

I think the bid on Guehi suggests the plan is to challenge top 4 this year and that they think this is realistic. 

If they didnt, and the plan was to challenge top 4 next season, we would be going after someone we can develop.

 

Tend to agree but sure we can do it without a new RW as well. 

[buzza]

I disagree, we need to improve the team just like all the clubs around us in the top half of the table are doing.

I think It would also send a quite negative message to our current players if we are preaching to them that our aim is to compete at the top... but our tranfers don't show that!

We need two signings (RCB & RW) who can slot into the first team and improve us instantly.

I honestly dont think it is such a big ask...

[The Prophet]

Newcastle are reportedly interested in buying Logan Costa, thus entering into direct competition with West Ham.

 

The Magpies would like to make him the last big recruit of this summer transfer window.

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2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Newcastle are reportedly interested in buying Logan Costa, thus entering into direct competition with West Ham.

 

The Magpies would like to make him the last big recruit of this summer transfer window.

"The last big recruit of this summer transfer window"

 

Haven't made our first one yet like

[Bunk Moreland]

4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Newcastle are reportedly interested in buying Logan Costa, thus entering into direct competition with West Ham.

 

The Magpies would like to make him the last big recruit of this summer transfer window.

 

Surely West Ham wouldn't be in for another CB after already spending £80m+ on two this window

[Fezzle]

9 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Newcastle are reportedly interested in buying Logan Costa, thus entering into direct competition with West Ham.

 

The Magpies would like to make him the last big recruit of this summer transfer window.

Nothing screams 'We are making this up' quite like the traditional West Ham link in competition mind. They just signed Todiba and Kilman

[BennyBlanco]

The chron have us linked with Riyad Cherki. 
 

So yeah, feel free to ignore that one.

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Fezzle said:

Nothing screams 'We are making this up' quite like the traditional West Ham link in competition mind. They just signed Todiba and Kilman

 

Think West Ham were looking at either him or Todibo, especially when the Todibo deal was looking like it wouldn't happen.