NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Shadow Puppets]

Just now, duo said:

But that is why you have a recruitment team - I get Asworth leaving may have caused a bit of disruption but as I understand it we've not replaced our whole scouting team so we should have had a list of players to target - to buy and potentially loan.  I feel we have really under utilised the loan market.  

That remains to be seen really. Historically loans tend to happen in the final week, so we’ll see.

 

Anyway, I don’t disagree that the window has been poor, but there’s still a chance they can salvage it with Guehi or Guehi + another.

 

 

[r0cafella]

Let’s be honest here, we fail to improve the team this window and it’s quite a catastrophic failure. 

[nemtizz]

I'll blame Shadow personally, too.

[duo]

Just now, Shadow Puppets said:

That remains to be seen really. Historically loans tend to happen in the final week, so we’ll see.

 

Anyway, I don’t disagree that the window has been poor, but there’s still a chance they can salvage it with Guehi or Guehi + another.

 

 

I hope so - I was so optimistic at the start of the window but it's starting to feel all a bit desperate now.  We were very flat for most the game today - we are just crying out for some new signings to freshen things up.  Especially if we realistically want to challenge for a top 4 slot.  

[junkhead]

4 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

It’s not rocket science.

 

We’re not looking for squad players for £10m-15m (and I’d argue that, no, you wouldn’t get better players than those you mentioned for that money).

 

We’re looking for players who can significantly improve the starting 11. They cost £50m+ in most cases. And there’s not many in that bracket who could improve our first 11 AND cost the right amount of money AND not have better options with European football etc.

 

 

 

But there are PLENTY.. and we should've uncovered them months before the window. Especially since we've been sitting at a £60mil FFP deficit during that time.. Is the laughably-overpriced and overrated Guehi the best we can do in those circumstances? How about Milenkovic moving to Forest for £12 mil? Could he do a job instead of Kraft? 

 

Longstaff looks set to stay, so naturally he'd require a new contract on higher wages if we don't want to lose him for free. But nobody wants him at his current wages, so we'll be stuck with him for another 3 years if he signs. And of course we'll have to play him, cause we won't be in a position to pay salaries for an additional CM, without selling. Same thing happened with Almiron, with Trippier, with Wilson. 

 

Don't get me started on not getting anybody for RW.. there are 100s of attainable players that can offer more than Murphy and Miggy. Absurd planning, awful window.

[Theregulars]

55 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

I really think people are reading far too much into it. Looking for issues to explain away what is likely pretty innocent.

 

Its not unusual for deals to go down to the last week of a transfer window, and it’s also not unusual for teams to hold out for players they really want over knee-jerk purchases to fill a void.

 

I’m no expert, but everything I’ve heard behind the scenes about Eddie’s relationship with Mitchell so far has sounded pretty positive, albeit my info tends to come from the playing side rather than management side. And also a couple of agents I’ve got to know pretty well recently.
 

I think there’s a genuine understanding across the whole club of the difficult position we’re in with restrictions, and I think they’re working from a really small list of agreed targets, as small as 2-3 players for each needed position. If we can’t get those players I don’t think you’ll see us buy for the sake of it.

 

Regarding any specific info I’ve heard these last couple of days, obviously everyone is still expecting this Guehi deal to happen (as they have been for the last few weeks), so I’m still expecting it to happen. All I know is that Guehi himself has been essentially just waiting for the green light, and communicating that to some of his friends up here.

 

According to one of the agents I’m friendly with, he thinks a lot of this week’s activity is going to hinge on Chelsea, and the domino effect of their dealings. He also thinks we will try for Madueke (but this was before his hat trick today).

 

Also, he reckons that we have been scouting Gianluca Prestianni (18 year old winger / forward) from Benfica. No idea whether that’s for now or the future, but he seems a live wire from his highlight reel.

 

My gut feeling is Guehi will sign and we’ll push for a loan with option to

buy RW, but either way I can’t fucking wait for the window to close.

Mate you’re doing us a really great service - I hope I speak for us all when I say how much we appreciate you sharing the updates 

[Ketsbaia]

Gigantic week coming, appreciate the updates SP  

 

We can already write this season off if they somehow don't secure a CB and RW. To continue with Almiron/Murphy is humiliating.

 

 

[Zero]

Howe doesn’t like loan. No point doing these deals if Howe won’t play the player right?

[Kanj]

48 minutes ago, Ketsbaia said:

Gigantic week coming, appreciate the updates SP  

 

We can already write this season off if they somehow don't secure a CB and RW. To continue with Almiron/Murphy is humiliating.

 

 

Write the other 36 league matches and cup games off because the window? You can’t be serious. 

[Kanj]

24 minutes ago, Zero said:

Howe doesn’t like loan. No point doing these deals if Howe won’t play the player right?

He doesn’t like loan without obligation to buy. He liked the loan for Targett no? Stop being so up Minteh’s ass please. It’s not a good look for a fellow OG of this forum. 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2024 by Kanji

[Taylor Swift]

1 hour ago, Ketsbaia said:

Gigantic week coming, appreciate the updates SP  

 

We can already write this season off if they somehow don't secure a CB and RW. To continue with Almiron/Murphy is humiliating.

 

 

 

We're not going to write the season off.

 

Even if we don't sign a RW, we have Gordon, Willock, Barnes and Almiron that can rotate through the 4 spots. Murphy is a good sub. If we're playing against a team sitting back, Isak can also play on the wing. Joelinton has also played higher up and done well. According to transfermarkt, in the season we came 4th, Joelinton played LW 15 games, 11 of which was in the league and he scored 4 goals. We have players who are versatile. It's about matchups.

 

 

If we have a normal season with injuries, we're probably overstocked in midfield. 

 

In CM we have: Bruno, Joelinton, Tonali, Miley, Willock, Longstaff.

 

We need to sell 1-2 players from midfield if we're going to buy, there aren't enough minutes for everyone. 

 

Last season has really colored everyone's impression of the depth of the squad, but it was a once in a generation injury crisis. We have the depth this year to change things up match to match.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2024 by Taylor Swift

[80]

8 hours ago, JonBez comesock said:

I know Eddie Howe keeps saying it’s a small pool we are looking at , however I can’t believe we can’t find 3 players in the world , that aren’t better than these 3 and won’t cost an arm and a leg 

This has been bugging me.

 

Yadda yadda usual caveats apply about believing what Eddie says, but you're right. I reject the idea that good players who can be moulded through tactics and training into being effective parts of serious teams are as rare as rocking horse shit.

 

It sounds like we're unnecessarily narrowing our potential talent pool. Being very exacting about what we want is great, but not to the extent it paralyses us and/or leads to PSR bankruptcy. Would Joelinton, Willock and Murphy have been on our shopping list in January 22 if we hadn't already owned them? Pretty obviously not. We need more of the make it work mentality.

[Memphis]

I will say that we have played like dog shit for about 120 of our 180 minutes this season and yet we've managed 4 points out of 6 and bettered a result from last year. 

 

So in theory, if we can make a signing or two, Tonali returns and plays well, we've got a lot of room for improvement. That's the glass half full approach anyway.

 

It does feel like a pivotal week though. We need something big to energize this group. I hope Mitchell et al can bring it in.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2024 by Memphis

[80]

3 hours ago, toon25 said:

I love Miggy dearly, but he's been absolutely shit since Grealish apologised.

 

This was the moment. He absolutely wasn't very good for Howe for 15 months. Him getting replaced by Murphy was a big part of getting us out of our goal drought and back in the CL hunt in early 2023.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Taylor Swift said:

 

We're not going to write the season off.

 

Even if we don't sign a RW, we have Gordon, Willock, Barnes and Almiron that can rotate through the 4 spots. Murphy is a good sub. If we're playing against a team sitting back, Isak can also play on the wing. Joelinton has also played higher up and done well. According to transfermarkt, in the season we came 4th, Joelinton played LW 15 games, 11 of which was in the league and he scored 4 goals. We have players who are versatile. It's about matchups.

 

 

If we have a normal season with injuries, we're probably overstocked in midfield. 

 

In CM we have: Bruno, Joelinton, Tonali, Miley, Willock, Longstaff.

 

We need to sell 1-2 players from midfield if we're going to buy, there aren't enough minutes for everyone. 

 

Last season has really colored everyone's impression of the depth of the squad, but it was a once in a generation injury crisis. We have the depth this year to change things up match to match.

 

 

 

That is based on the assumption that it was simply bad luck.  I'd withhold judgement until next summer on that.

[KaKa]

4 hours ago, Shadow Puppets said:

It’s not rocket science.

 

We’re not looking for squad players for £10m-15m (and I’d argue that, no, you wouldn’t get better players than those you mentioned for that money).

 

We’re looking for players who can significantly improve the starting 11. They cost £50m+ in most cases. And there’s not many in that bracket who could improve our first 11 AND cost the right amount of money AND not have better options with European football etc.

 

 

 

See ... what you've shared in this post is what is really starting to annoy me.

 

They seem to really be over thinking things with this narrow pool of players they seem to be looking at.

 

We are starting Miggy/Almiron on that right side. Two wingers that barely dribble, and make poor decisions with the ball regularly. I'm telling you, we have the worst options in that position in the whole league.

 

Semenyo was bought for £10 million from the Championship and looks ten times better than Miggy and Murphy.

 

Elanga cost £15 million, Palmer went to Chelsea for around £35 million, Madueke for £30 million, Bailey cost £30 million, Kudus cost £30 million.

 

We missed the boat with all of these types of players, seemingly chasing some £50 million 'significant improvement', while suffering through using guys that currently barely look up to Championship standard.

 

This is so incredibly frustrating. Improving significantly on the pair of them does not require a £50 million player at all! 

 

There should also be numerous better options across all the leagues we have to pick from. At the minute it feels like every game I put on has a better player there than we do.

 

This is crazy.

[elbee909]

I just don't understand how Gordon can't play on the right. Barnes on left. Doesn't this make any sense? Sigh.

[Dr.Spaceman]

I am desperate for us to bring in a championship player who turns out to be really good. Frustrating seeing other clubs sign seemingly average players for 10-20 million who end up really good and being valued more than double a year later. The number we've monitored and subsequently missed over the years is staggering. Whittaker looks like the next one...

[Taylor Swift]

1 hour ago, KaKa said:

 

See ... what you've shared in this post is what is really starting to annoy me.

 

They seem to really be over thinking things with this narrow pool of players they seem to be looking at.

 

We are starting Miggy/Almiron on that right side. Two wingers that barely dribble, and make poor decisions with the ball regularly. I'm telling you, we have the worst options in that position in the whole league.

 

Semenyo was bought for £10 million from the Championship and looks ten times better than Miggy and Murphy.

 

Elanga cost £15 million, Palmer went to Chelsea for around £35 million, Madueke for £30 million, Bailey cost £30 million, Kudus cost £30 million.

 

We missed the boat with all of these types of players, seemingly chasing some £50 million 'significant improvement', while suffering through using guys that currently barely look up to Championship standard.

 

This is so incredibly frustrating. Improving significantly on the pair of them does not require a £50 million player at all! 

 

There should also be numerous better options across all the leagues we have to pick from. At the minute it feels like every game I put on has a better player there than we do.

 

This is crazy.

I agree with this. We’re shopping at Selfridges when we can’t afford it. Until the PSR nonsense is resolved, we need to find these gems from the lower leagues. Is Osula one? Hopefully. We can’t afford £50m for every starter, we don’t have the revenues that Man Utd do. 

[Nucasol]

It’s not just us - PSR is throttling the market. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c74ljpezv1lo

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Nucasol said:

It’s not just us - PSR is throttling the market. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c74ljpezv1lo

Yeah these stupid artificial rules have sucked the liquidity out of the market, yet here we have crystal palace asking 70m

 

thanks for sharing this, I’ve been looking for this exact piece of data earlier this week 

[Matt1892]

5 days before the transfer window slams shut!

 

Hopefully they are not having the bank holiday off.

[SUPERTOON]

1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

I am desperate for us to bring in a championship player who turns out to be really good. Frustrating seeing other clubs sign seemingly average players for 10-20 million who end up really good and being valued more than double a year later. The number we've monitored and subsequently missed over the years is staggering. Whittaker looks like the next one...

That Rowe from Norwich would have been worth a punt. Gone to Marseille for 13 million

[RobsonsWonderland]

24 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

It’s not just us - PSR is throttling the market. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c74ljpezv1lo

115 million loss over 3 years, when an average premier League stricker is going for 65 million.

 

Not sure which one needs to change but I reckon you could buy two / three players for 65 million when the original loss figure was set.

[Joelintons leg the 3rd]

Hopefully we waste out budget on one Premier league signing soon! Scouting is for losers.