STM Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, PopeandGlory said: My first paragraph points out that Howe clearly can’t rate him highly if he is limited to 5 minutes every couple of games. My second paragraph points out we received an offer for him in the summer and should have taken it, which would provide some incoming funds as well as removing his wage from the wagebill without any impact on our results due to how little he is featuring or achieving any impact. I’m not sure what the other ramblings in your post refer to. You seem to have tied yourself in knots when you could have just acknowledged we received an offer and your original post was therefore inaccurate. Ramblings? Your name looks new but I feel like your bullshit is familiar. Changed usernames? Anyway, I've pointed out why you are wrong, now fuck off back to football manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) Think the rumoured fee was 6 or 7m assume we still have a psr value with him so would more likely break even but save his wages. Wanted 16m offered 9m dollars approx 7m https://www.themag.co.uk/2024/08/made-public-why-miguel-almiron-didnt-join-mls-club-despite-transfer-fee-agreed-verbally-newcastle-united/ Obviously all rumoured, if we then followed that up with the rumoured 40/45m for elanga the miggy fee doesn't touch the sides. Edited November 6 by nufcjmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, nufcjmc said: Think the rumoured fee was 6 or 7m assume we still have a psr value with him so would more likely break even but save his wages. Break even would still be good business, as any planned amortisation figure would be removed. The problem clubs can have is that with some players they are a depreciating asset, which is what Miggy is, so sometimes you are better off taking less to move them on, compared to having them take a wage when they are filling a space where an upgrade is needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Wasn't part of the problem that Miggy wanted higher wages and they were taking that out of the fee? When we didn't sell him I assumed he'd have more of a role than we've seen to date. I'm very surprised we didn't jump at the chance to get two years of wages out the door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 We shouldn't sell anyone below value as it may set a precedent and invite lower offers for other players. Other clubs are cunts with asking prices and some seemingly get their way, why can't we become that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 27 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: Break even would still be good business, as any planned amortisation figure would be removed. The problem clubs can have is that with some players they are a depreciating asset, which is what Miggy is, so sometimes you are better off taking less to move them on, compared to having them take a wage when they are filling a space where an upgrade is needed. Not going to disagree really letting an asset go for nothing is not good business in a PSR world. Issue is our finances in Jan or this accounting year in general it maybe didn't work for us if you believe the media as being 100% true then we would let him go for 16m we were offered half that which for a 40m player over 5 years would at best cover 1 year of amortisation which may have been a step too far. Your then saying well keep him for the squad as he's too expensive to replace. We have got ourselves in a little mess really with the older or players who have little value but as other have said you can't sell what your getting no offers on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: We shouldn't sell anyone below value as it may set a precedent and invite lower offers for other players. Other clubs are cunts with asking prices and some seemingly get their way, why can't we become that? It's the whole debate about cut our losses on an asset to move forward even if it means having to sign a certain value of player because of it. Then keeping a player as its financially crippling to go back out in the market for a player than to hang onto them for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 5 hours ago, timeEd32 said: Wasn't part of the problem that Miggy wanted higher wages and they were taking that out of the fee? When we didn't sell him I assumed he'd have more of a role than we've seen to date. I'm very surprised we didn't jump at the chance to get two years of wages out the door. He hasn’t had more of a role because he looks terrible every time he’s on the pitch. Sad to say as he’s such a trier but his decision making, execution, eye for a pass etc are all really substandard to the point it’s not worth having him on to press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 11 hours ago, STM said: Your first paragraph and your second paragraph are contradicting. Howe doesn't rate him so much that he didn't let him go in the summer? He's not needed now, how do you know where our next injuries are coming from? It's easy to say that NOW the money from the US seems like a good deal (not that we know how much they offered) it didn't in the summer and it wouldn't look a good deal if we picked up 2 or 3 injuries to wide players. Just a reminder, I don't rate Miggy too highly, I just don't think we can give away players who are currently in the matchday squad. Gone over this many times, we shouldn’t be keeping fringe players who are limited, offer little, on high wages, because of the threat of an injury crisis It means we miss the boat to sell them, stick with their wages, and need to move others on to make up any sort of money. Just never going to learn. If Almiron is getting 100 minutes this side of Christmas, it’s minutes that a youth prospect can have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Sibierski said: Gone over this many times, we shouldn’t be keeping fringe players who are limited, offer little, on high wages, because of the threat of an injury crisis It means we miss the boat to sell them, stick with their wages, and need to move others on to make up any sort of money. Just never going to learn. If Almiron is getting 100 minutes this side of Christmas, it’s minutes that a youth prospect can have. Whether or not we sell Miggy we've still got youth players at the club. Eddie has shown time and time again that he'd rather not chuck them in though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Sibierski said: Gone over this many times, we shouldn’t be keeping fringe players who are limited, offer little, on high wages, because of the threat of an injury crisis It means we miss the boat to sell them, stick with their wages, and need to move others on to make up any sort of money. Just never going to learn. If Almiron is getting 100 minutes this side of Christmas, it’s minutes that a youth prospect can have. I just disagree with everything youve said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 15 hours ago, timeEd32 said: Wasn't part of the problem that Miggy wanted higher wages and they were taking that out of the fee? When we didn't sell him I assumed he'd have more of a role than we've seen to date. I'm very surprised we didn't jump at the chance to get two years of wages out the door. I said it at the time. I assume it's no big deal to lose a few milion here or there, but it's just more money we won't see down the line. It seems to be a growing concern with players like Trippier, Miggy, Targett and so on. I guess the idea must be they are more valuable than the money and we should write it off basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 Chelsea it is then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 He’s like an even more technical CB than Schar, and with pace. Not seen much of him but looked impressive the little time I’ve seen him. Think he’s 22 and not 20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 Would imagine he would cost a fair bit mind given his age, potential and the fact Benfica seem to extract maximum value for their players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 If there's one thing Chelsea need, its a CB. So starved of options there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Would imagine he would cost a fair bit mind given his age, potential and the fact Benfica seem to extract maximum value for their players. Most likely aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 12 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Would imagine he would cost a fair bit mind given his age, potential and the fact Benfica seem to extract maximum value for their players. Seem to get a fortune for them. Only for them to then perform nowhere near a level befitting of their price tag. I swear every year they sell someone for around £50-100m who then isn’t particularly good at their new club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 Should be easy to negotiate against Chelsea and Palace. If we can't convince players to join us over either of those clubs then we're taking the wrong people to the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Should be easy to negotiate against Chelsea and Palace. If we can't convince players to join us over either of those clubs then we're taking the wrong people to the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 1 hour ago, Skeletor said: Completely different scenario to us signing a young lad from Spain though, isn't it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 Anyone worth a look at?… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 6 hours ago, Skeletor said: If there's one thing Chelsea need, its a CB. So starved of options there. He could be the 8th option CB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 @LFEE we've been linked to Cherki in the past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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