KaKa Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, Kimbo said: Around 8/9 of Sunderland’s first XI were bought in the summer. Yeah, I don't get it. If that's what's needed and the money is available to improve the team, just get it done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, Rich said: Howe in the presser today effectively saying he thinks six transfers were ‘too many’ last summer and would be aiming for fewer signings this summer, and thereafter. Not really jiving with many of our hoped overhauls. Let’s review the squad: Trippier - gone Krafth - gone? Schar - possibly finished Tino - huge noise about wanting away Gordon - huge noise about wanting away Tonali - substantial noise about wanting away Elanga - A travesty of a footballer Wissa - A travesty of a transfer Murphy - not a massively talented lad and he’s now losing some pace rendering him only suitable as a bench option Pope - needs a trip to the glue factory Ramsdale - needs a trip to a championship/premier league yo-yo club Willock - should be sold Joelinton - should be sold if there’s a proper offer as his body is so fragile and we can’t expect him to be the warrior he’s been for us Woltemade - seemingly been a very difficult season for him and Howe as a duo and it’s unclear how trusted he is and how flexible Howe can be Find it hard to believe we can avoid a major overhaul, even if it’s not on our terms Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 5 minutes ago, Rich said: Howe in the presser today effectively saying he thinks six transfers were ‘too many’ last summer and would be aiming for fewer signings this summer, and thereafter. Not really jiving with many of our hoped overhauls. Quite concerning tbh, as minimum, I’d say we need two keepers, RB, LB, CB, striker and winger. That’s before anyone leaves. Of course not all will be first team starters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 14 minutes ago, Rich said: Howe in the presser today effectively saying he thinks six transfers were ‘too many’ last summer and would be aiming for fewer signings this summer, and thereafter. Not really jiving with many of our hoped overhauls. Does he mean first team ready players because I'd be well happy with 5 new players in our starting 11 at the start of next season, with several prospects on the fringes of the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Just now, Dr.Spaceman said: Does he mean first team ready players because I'd be well happy with 5 new players in our starting 11 at the start of next season, with several prospects on the fringes of the squad. Hopefully that's what he meant. If not it really doesn't make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 I'd have to listen again but that wasn't the vibe I got from what he said. I think he was saying ideally ajd normally successful teams just top up and add rather than overhaul but I think there was acceptance than we may not have a choice this summer. I dunno maybe it was the opposite. If so we are in trouble I think as I feel the bulk of this squad has run it's course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 We may have plenty of gaps but I wouldn't be against fewer but better signings. 2 or 3 excellent signings could transform the team and hide gaps (for a time). I'm probably showing my age, but that Bellamy/Robert summer, I can't remember signing anyone else of note that summer and they transformed the team. I realise football 20 odd years ago was 'slightly' different but I'm still of the belief a couple of great players can make a big impact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 14 minutes ago, maybe_next_year said: We may have plenty of gaps but I wouldn't be against fewer but better signings. 2 or 3 excellent signings could transform the team and hide gaps (for a time). I'm probably showing my age, but that Bellamy/Robert summer, I can't remember signing anyone else of note that summer and they transformed the team. I realise football 20 odd years ago was 'slightly' different but I'm still of the belief a couple of great players can make a big impact. I mean if we'd of had the isak of last season instead of Elanga, Wissa and Woltemade I would bet decent money we probably finish in the top 6 comfortably to be honest, maybe even higher. So that's just one player. Problem is we likely lose at least two of our better players in possibly Gordon and Tonali so we will need to replace them to even stand still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, Rich said: Howe in the presser today effectively saying he thinks six transfers were ‘too many’ last summer and would be aiming for fewer signings this summer, and thereafter. Not really jiving with many of our hoped overhauls. Squad overhauls are exceptionally rare. I never understand why people expect them to happen. A bit like player swap deals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 51 minutes ago, alexf said: I'd have to listen again but that wasn't the vibe I got from what he said. I think he was saying ideally ajd normally successful teams just top up and add rather than overhaul but I think there was acceptance than we may not have a choice this summer. I dunno maybe it was the opposite. If so we are in trouble I think as I feel the bulk of this squad has run it's course. 100%, that’s not the vibe he was giving at all. He was saying in an ideal scenario you’d drip feed players but that’s probably not going to be the case. But he sounded enthusiastic about it, I think he wants some of them out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) With the outgoing players we’re going to need at least 6 I’d guess. Possibly more if we’re ruthless in shifting some of the shit. GK RB CB CM LW RW ST Possibly a LB too, that’s before shifting the likes of Willock and Osula. I am assuming Gordon is away there. Edited May 1 by Chicken Dancer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, KaKa said: He had a year and a half left on his contract and he was at Ligue 2 L'Orient. They weren't going to be asking 25-30 million for him from anybody man. Was taking the piss based on our recent trading where we spunk money up the wall and give sell-on fees to every cunt going like a bunch of muppets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 First game of the season, who from the current squad are you happy to see in the xi - taking into account likely departures GK RB Thiaw Botman Hall Miley Bruno CM/10 LW (although I'm ok with Barnes) RW Wolt That's 5 first teamers needed, on the bench: GK Schar Ramsey Osula RB LB CF RW LW 2nd CB Big Joe So another 6 first team squad players. So unless we really use some of the u21s it's a minimum of 11 needed, if not this summer then over the next 3 windows (and Schar/Big Joe probably gone in that time frame so add 2 more) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) Hate to say it but unless there is a dramatic upturn, I wouldn't be happy with Botman being our number one cb any more. He's falling into the Lascelles type 3rd/4th choice for me. His body seems to have deteriorated too much for the premier league pace. Edited May 1 by alexf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 11 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said: With the outgoing players we’re going to need at least 6 I’d guess. Possibly more if we’re ruthless in shifting some of the shit. GK RB CB CM LW RW ST Possibly a LB too, that’s before shifting the likes of Willock and Osula. I am assuming Gordon is away there. I think we need 4 first team ready players GK (R Reisser) - RW (Allan) - LW - CF Then 4 future players RB - CB (Tiago Gabriel) - LB (D Methalie) - CM (I want this to be one of a higher profile like Camara) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 3 minutes ago, alexf said: Hate to say it but unless there is a dramatic upturn, I wouldn't be happy with Botman being our number one cb any more. He's falling into the Lascelles type 3rd/4th choice for me. His body seems to have deteriorated too much for the premier league pace. My worry is you go from Botman to Burn - neither inspire any confidence tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandrotastico Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 GK Tino (if his head and body are in it) Thiaw Botman (If he learns to run again) Hall Miley Bruno CM/10 LW RW CF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 27 minutes ago, Mikky said: My worry is you go from Botman to Burn - neither inspire any confidence tbh League cup winning England International Burn ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funtime Frankie Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 For me these are the signings I would hope we get GK - Trafford or Risser and a backup GK RB If Livra stays then just El Ouahdi or Fresnada or Sabbe. If Livra goes replace him with Read or Palestra CB - Diomande LB - Methalie and Aguado ( one for the future but can be got for around 6 million as youngsters innl Spain have these low release clauses) DM Stankovic or Camara CM Fernandez from Barca again 7.5 mill release clause. RW Akliouche, Karetsas or Allan LW Godts or Nusa or Eduardo concaicao CF Tresoldi or Ramos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 11 minutes ago, Funtime Frankie said: For me these are the signings I would hope we get GK - Trafford or Risser and a backup GK RB If Livra stays then just El Ouahdi or Fresnada or Sabbe. If Livra goes replace him with Read or Palestra CB - Diomande LB - Methalie and Aguado ( one for the future but can be got for around 6 million as youngsters innl Spain have these low release clauses) DM Stankovic or Camara CM Fernandez from Barca again 7.5 mill release clause. RW Akliouche, Karetsas or Allan LW Godts or Nusa or Eduardo concaicao CF Tresoldi or Ramos Almost a full XI, that would be some going. I'd like it but after Howe’s comment in the press conference? Or does he not have as much say on the matter as he used to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funtime Frankie Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 2 minutes ago, BonesJones said: Almost a full XI, that would be some going. I'd like it but after Howe’s comment in the press conference? Or does he not have as much say on the matter as he used to? Don't think he has 100% control like last summer. I think he will have dinal sign off on some signings but it should be DOF role to sign players. I think we need fresh young technical players to elevate our play next season. Currently we have 4 creative/technical players at the club. Wolte, Bruno, Hall and Miley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, gbandit said: Let’s review the squad: Trippier - gone Krafth - gone? Schar - possibly finished Tino - huge noise about wanting away Gordon - huge noise about wanting away Tonali - substantial noise about wanting away Elanga - A travesty of a footballer Wissa - A travesty of a transfer Murphy - not a massively talented lad and he’s now losing some pace rendering him only suitable as a bench option Pope - needs a trip to the glue factory Ramsdale - needs a trip to a championship/premier league yo-yo club Willock - should be sold Joelinton - should be sold if there’s a proper offer as his body is so fragile and we can’t expect him to be the warrior he’s been for us Woltemade - seemingly been a very difficult season for him and Howe as a duo and it’s unclear how trusted he is and how flexible Howe can be Find it hard to believe we can avoid a major overhaul, even if it’s not on our terms Agree with all of that except Joelinton. Overly harsh on him. We just rush him back and he’s hungry to help the team. Under better circumstances he could be managed fine. Regarding the noise, think Tonali gives us 12 more months. Tino possibly also but only due to injuries. Wouldn’t be worried about losing either. Tonali more so I suppose. Edited May 1 by LFEE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 57 minutes ago, LFEE said: Agree with all of that except Joelinton. Overly harsh on him. We just rush him back and he’s hungry to help the team. Under better circumstances he could be managed fine. Regarding the noise, think Tonali gives us 12 more months. Tino possibly also but only due to injuries. Wouldn’t be worried about losing either. Tonali more so I suppose. Joelintons body has been on the wane for a couple of seasons now, and it's not going to get better. Such a shame as he's pushed himself beyond what he can cope with for the club, and is now paying for it. 2 years left in the summer, he won't get a new deal and I think in a year with more injuries we won't get a fee for him, unless he retires to Saudi. It's a shame you look at a player like him, who has been brilliant for us, a complete turnaround of a player and all he's done, and think we need to shift him because we can't have an asset devalue. Especially when you sign Elanga, Wissa and wolt in 1 window, and play none of them due to various reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 3 hours ago, Ben said: League cup winning England International Burn ? He hasn’t inspired much confidence this season - there comes a point where age begins to catch up and you start losing some of your strengths Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 8 hours ago, Mikky said: He hasn’t inspired much confidence this season - there comes a point where age begins to catch up and you start losing some of your strengths replace age with length of tenure and you could be talking about Howe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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