Holmesy Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 38 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said: If Longstaff had a bit more composure with his finishing he'd be a 50m+ player. Swear he seems to have 2 or 3 nailed on chances every game. Great at making that late run into the box, or hanging back for a chance on the edge of the area. Hardly ever converts them. This argument could be made for quite a few of our players, which just highlights the need for upgrades. Add another effective attribute to those players and they'd be quality Eg. If Almiron had a right foot and better decision making, if Joelinton could connect with the ball when shooting, if Longstaff could finish, if Willock had more composure in the box, If Murphy had better decision making, if Burn had pace. Coaching can only do so much to improve players, but ultimately we need better players to start with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Would anyone take lingaard on loan until end of season can play on either wing? He's a free Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Definitely not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I read Lingard had been 'offered to Barcelona' which was hilarious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 12 hours ago, LFEE said: That was last season playing one game a week with the front 6 being our best defenders. Analytics teams have had summer to pick holes and squad depth in tatters short term. Not saying we can’t play the same way half the season but it is wise to have a plan B other than just plan A with fresh subs for certain games as even Liverpool/Dortmund found out you can only do the crazy pressing for so long before players start fading when fixtures increase. Mind you we have 5 subs these days and bigger benches so maybe it will be. Think you could argue it both ways. Currently we are 433 but playing one as a DM to me would make it 4123 so the personnel does change the system. I think you are getting carried away. It’s a tweak for certain games not ripping up philosophies. Not a fan of KP and DM’s and have always argued that EH prefers midfielders that can do a bit of everything so we shall see what happens. Even with Tonali back next season I still worry about our lack of pace/athleticism in midfield regardless of system tweaks/changes. KP short or long term doesn’t solve that problem either so you’d think a positional tweak for certain games might be in EH’s short term thinking 🤷🏼♂️ Wouldn’t surprise me we find out Willlock misses most of the season. Tonali misses start of next season. Bruno/Joelinton/Longstaff all playing like they are carrying knocks going down regularly. Some interesting and tough decisions to be made this window. As you say, having an actual DM does change the system fundamentally. But I don't know if that is the aim. Tonali is meant to be athletic. Hard, powerful running. I think the idea was 2 athletes (Joelinton, Willock, Tonali, Longstaff) + Bruno. You have 4 of them so you can rotate them. IMO at the highest level you need 2 or 3 players that can really put their foot on the ball. Again, I think Tonali was meant to be one of them but you need a bit more than just him and Bruno. It doesn't have to come from CM though. A Palmer type can bring it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Joelinton is so important for us these days. Fucking love it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just at the end of the summer transfer window I thought we needed another right wing option. And now that Murphy is basically a woody doll with his gammy shoulder. I thought a cover option on a free to help us get to the end of the season el ghazi is a free aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSG Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 12 minutes ago, andycap said: Would anyone take lingaard on loan until end of season can play on either wing? He's a free On loan from who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just now, NSG said: On loan from who? You know what I mean mister bond 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 19 minutes ago, Holmesy said: This argument could be made for quite a few of our players, which just highlights the need for upgrades. Add another effective attribute to those players and they'd be quality Eg. If Almiron had a right foot and better decision making, if Joelinton could connect with the ball when shooting, if Longstaff could finish, if Willock had more composure in the box, If Murphy had better decision making, if Burn had pace. Coaching can only do so much to improve players, but ultimately we need better players to start with Players can definitely improve. But take Longstaff - it's not just composure he lacks. It's a technique, body positioning, agility, slow feet. You take Isak - he can quickly shift his feet and smack the ball cleanly with power where he wants. His first goal - yes it's super composed but it's the high-level technical execution that makes it composed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Lingard wants too much money for too long. If he would come and play for £60k p/w for 6 months - maybe. You also have question his and De Gea's commitment to the game that they were happy sitting it out for half a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 See at the end of the season we will have the option of young minteh getting chances at right wing if we decide to keep him instead of loaning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 The Athletic speculatively linking us to Henderson this morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: The Athletic speculatively linking us to Henderson this morning. Mackem wind up Edited January 8 by PauloGeordio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: The Athletic speculatively linking us to Henderson this morning. That isn't happening is it. He's a born and bred unwashed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 16 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: The Athletic speculatively linking us to Henderson this morning. Yikes, what a massive oversight there would be from the club, a washed up Mackem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Have to say, Henderson being a boyhood Sunderland fan hardly disqualifies him from playing for us. The biggest stand at SJP is named after a Sunderland fan who played in B&W. Then there’s Venison, Waddle, Howey, Robson, etc etc. I wouldn’t be adverse to him coming in for six months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) The Sunderland thing wouldn't bother me (can't remember him acting the tit like Pickford when we play them for instance), it's the whether he could still perform at this level anymore that would concern me. Bracewell and Venison is a good comparison tbh. Made their way at Sunderland, went to a Liverpool club to fulfil their potential...if he's got 5 months in him I'd go for it. Edited January 8 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: Have to say, Henderson being a boyhood Sunderland fan hardly disqualifies him from playing for us. The biggest stand at SJP is named after a Sunderland fan who played in B&W. Then there’s Venison, Waddle, Howey, Robson, etc etc. I wouldn’t be adverse to him coming in for six months. It would be a PR disaster for the Saudis never mind his mackem roots. I hope to god that's just lazy journalism, I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Have to say, Henderson being a boyhood Sunderland fan hardly disqualifies him from playing for us. The biggest stand at SJP is named after a Sunderland fan who played in B&W. Then there’s Venison, Waddle, Howey, Robson, etc etc. I wouldn’t be adverse to him coming in for six months. He was past it for the last year at Liverpool, 6 months on holiday in Saudi and he’s begging to come back? No thanks avoid like the plague. Adds absolutely nothing to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Have to say, Henderson being a boyhood Sunderland fan hardly disqualifies him from playing for us. The biggest stand at SJP is named after a Sunderland fan who played in B&W. Then there’s Venison, Waddle, Howey, Robson, etc etc. I wouldn’t be adverse to him coming in for six months. I'd rather chew on my own testicles for six months than see that wanker in a Newcastle kit. That's based on his Liverpool years, not Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just now, Shearergol said: I'd rather chew on my own testicles for six months than see that wanker in a Newcastle kit. That's based on his Liverpool years, not Sunderland. That too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Just now, TRon said: It would be a PR disaster for the Saudis never mind his mackem roots. I hope to god that's just lazy journalism, I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club. Just now, r0cafella said: He was past it for the last year at Liverpool, 6 months on holiday in Saudi and he’s begging to come back? No thanks avoid like the plague. Adds absolutely nothing to us. It’s fair enough if you don’t think he’s got owt to offer football-wise. I think we need reinforcements in midfield and if Howe wanted to bring him in I’m ok with that tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Have to say, Henderson being a boyhood Sunderland fan hardly disqualifies him from playing for us. The biggest stand at SJP is named after a Sunderland fan who played in B&W. Then there’s Venison, Waddle, Howey, Robson, etc etc. I wouldn’t be adverse to him coming in for six months. Can’t find anything online about Milburn being a boyhood Sunderland fan. Another mackem urban myth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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