Mikky Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 5 minutes ago, TRC said: I know Billing is not as good as Joelinton, but I do think a Billing, Bruno, Tonali midfield is a bit more technical and balanced. Make a profit on Joelinton and spend the profit on a young striker. No thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, Matt1892 said: I think we overrate Joelinton as fans on his ability in the middle. Maybe, but hes a much better player than Billing. A lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) Livramento was almost certainly bought with the long-term goal of being Trippier's replacement. He also signed following a lengthy and serious injury lay-off. He may well have already played more minutes than anticipated this season. Personally, I'd prefer him at left back to Burn, but I can see the counterargument. Burn is naturally left footed, he tucks into a back three in possession and he gives us added protection from set pieces. Howe has obviously decided it offsets his lack of pace, which is being exposed with an inexperienced midfielder in front of him. Howe has shown plenty of willingness to rotate, but for better or worse it's clear he doesn't like changing a settled back four, he also values a certain amount of height in the team. But I think the favouritism argument is overused, as is the idea that Dan Burn is a terrible footballer. We've gone full circle on him being overrated to being a regular scapegoat, when in fact he's always just been really average. Edited February 12 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, Mikky said: No thanks Yeah tbf I'd rather play Willock than Billing. A Willock, Bruno, Tonali mid could be nice. Really it has to be Miggy that we have to be moved on, hes the odd man out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 28 minutes ago, TRC said: I know Billing is not as good as Joelinton, but I do think a Billing, Bruno, Tonali midfield is a bit more technical and balanced. Make a profit on Joelinton and spend the profit on a young striker. You think Billing is more technical than Joelinton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 13 minutes ago, TRC said: Yeah tbf I'd rather play Willock than Billing. A Willock, Bruno, Tonali mid could be nice. Really it has to be Miggy that we have to be moved on, hes the odd man out Miggy and Wilson for sure I’d even sell Longstaff if it’s means bringing in a 6 - we have to have a 6 just to give us a different look Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 55 minutes ago, Ikon said: Apart from that it doesn't exactly improve our 1st team. Depth? Yes. Don't see the point of signing players that don't improve our starting 11 properly. Quality is vital imo, and then let some of the current players become backup/squad players. Not sure how much it'd cost to upgrade those three, though? £60-70m? Unless we sell Joelinton I don't see us having the money to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I think any interest in Billing was strictly due to our situation in January. I’d be amazed if we are in for him in the summer, unless we still have nothing to spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 29 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Not sure how much it'd cost to upgrade those three, though? £60-70m? Unless we sell Joelinton I don't see us having the money to do that. Whatever we do go for I hope it’s quality before quantity. Main priority for me is to strengthen the weaker links in the team. Players that make a real difference to the starting eleven. IF we have the luxury of adding some top top young talent for the squad then that would be amazing. I don’t see the point in spending money on players that is more of a sidestep. Either go for genuine quality players or young players with massive potential that don’t cost a bomb quite yet. A free signing or two of good quality might help us to be able to afford a couple of top quality ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: I think any interest in Billing was strictly due to our situation in January. I’d be amazed if we are in for him in the summer, unless we still have nothing to spend. Most likely aye. At least I hope so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Are we good with Schar/Lascelles RCB? I seem to recall the idea of bringing in someone younger to back up Schar. A quality RW that can score and provide cover for Isak/Wilson would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 26 minutes ago, Ikon said: Whatever we do go for I hope it’s quality before quantity. Main priority for me is to strengthen the weaker links in the team. Players that make a real difference to the starting eleven. IF we have the luxury of adding some top top young talent for the squad then that would be amazing. I don’t see the point in spending money on players that is more of a sidestep. Either go for genuine quality players or young players with massive potential that don’t cost a bomb quite yet. A free signing or two of good quality might help us to be able to afford a couple of top quality ones. I think either of those would be a big upgrade on 4th choice so it's still a big upgrade for us. If we're playing Onana or Billing instead of Longstaff when one of the first choice are out, that's huge for us. If we'd had one of those the last 2 months I'm guessing we'd be a lot closer to top 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: I think either of those would be a big upgrade on 4th choice so it's still a big upgrade for us. If we're playing Onana or Billing instead of Longstaff when one of the first choice are out, that's huge for us. If we'd had one of those the last 2 months I'm guessing we'd be a lot closer to top 5. Aye it would make us better overall. I just think that the money is better used on players that can elevate us a few steps and not just improving the quality in depth. Signing a real quality player will both improve our “main 11” and allow us to challenge the top teams even better, especially away. It will also automatically improve the depth/backups at the same time. Only have to look at what a difference the likes of Bruno, Botman and Isak makes when they are at their best. Then imagine more of these instead of players that only improve depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, The Prophet said: Howe has shown plenty of willingness to rotate, but for better or worse it's clear he doesn't like changing a settled back four Just like nearly every single manager in history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 10 minutes ago, Disco said: Just like nearly every single manager in history. Absolutely. Off the top of my head, can only think of Pep who tinkers a fair bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) Clearly needs to be a realism to any summer business and can see merits in Kelly providing he’s not a perma crock. Really think we need a couple of game changing additions though to raise the level of quality in first 11, particularly in CM and wide right. I would sacrifice Joelinton if it makes financial sense, on the basis that his game is all about physicality and once that goes not sure he has much left to offer, technically he looked well short in some of the CL games. From the small glimpses of Tonali I think he can replace Joelintons physical presence on left side and play Bruno to the right, use the funds to get a top drawer technical midfielder to play at the base. Edited February 12 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 46 minutes ago, Disco said: Just like nearly every single manager in history. Some may change when conceding 6 goals in 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 41 minutes ago, Disco said: Just like nearly every single manager in history. Murphy-Schar-Lascelles-Fede-Lewis Murphy-Schar-Lascelles-Fede-Lewis ✅️ Manquillo-Fede-Lascelles-Clark-Lewis ❌️ Manquillo-Fede-Clark-Lewis ❌️ Krafth-Hayden-Clark-Lewis ❌️ Murphy-Fede-Clark-Lewis ❌️ Yedlin-Fede-Clark-Dummett ❌️ Yedlin-Hayden-Clark-Lewis ❌️ Yedlin-Schar-Fede-Clark-Ritchie ❌️ Yedlin-Schar-Fede-Clark-Ritchie ✅️ Spoiler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Whitley mag said: Clearly needs to be a realism to any summer business and can see merits in Kelly providing he’s not a perma crock. Really think we need a couple of game changing additions though to raise the level of quality in first 11, particularly in CM and wide right. I would sacrifice Joelinton if it makes financial sense, on the basis that his game is all about physicality and once that goes not sure he has much left to offer, technically he looked well short in some of the CL games. From the small glimpses of Tonali I think he can replace Joelintons physical presence on left side and play Bruno to the right, use the funds to get a top drawer technical midfielder to play at the base. Tonali can replace Joelinton’s physical presence? Not sure I saw any evidence of that even though I rate Tonali and think he will be great for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newintoon Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) “Liverpool and Chelsea appear to have been handed a boost in their pursuits of Newcastle playmaker Bruno Guimaraes, according to a Daily Express report. The Brazil international had been linked with a move away from the Magpies in the January window, with Newcastle supposedly already scouting for possible replacements.” Imagine him going to Chelsea or Liverpool, can’t be dealing with that. I’d insist he goes abroad if we have to sell or do we not get a choice just first to meet his release clause? Edited February 12 by Newintoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Chelsea can’t make it happen because off FFP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Chelsea can’t make it happen because off FFP and Liverpool don’t have a manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 29 minutes ago, Newintoon said: “Liverpool and Chelsea appear to have been handed a boost in their pursuits of Newcastle playmaker Bruno Guimaraes, according to a Daily Express report. The Brazil international had been linked with a move away from the Magpies in the January window, with Newcastle supposedly already scouting for possible replacements.” Imagine him going to Chelsea or Liverpool, can’t be dealing with that. I’d insist he goes abroad if we have to sell or do we not get a choice just first to meet his release clause? Sure it's false, but Imagine Chelsea spunking literally £350m on 3 centre mids 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Surely if we are after Billing as a cheap option, then surely we'd be expecting to lose 1 or 2 of our current mids? We have 7 centre mids when not injured / suspended You'd think this would be the Longstaff or Andersons of the world, or Joelinton if we don't get his contract sorted? Just can't see Billing being the answer to how we want to progress as a team, unless he is replacing someone we sell for a FPP boost Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I can't stress this enough.... because it seems some are hopeful of it happening.... we won't be selling Longstaff under virtually any scenario. If you believe that Longstaff will be sold, you possibly haven't been paying attention to what Howe is trying to do. He's part of the furniture man. 😂 In all seriousness, I'm fine with Longstaff staying, provided we have (at least) 3 players ahead of him the pecking order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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