NUFC Transfer Rumours

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Just got to let it go at this point and focus on the football. Things will become clearer with time as to why it went like this

Nothing what your saying is incorrect the issue is it doesn’t change the present. We absolutely had to be at minimum challenging for the CL this season to keep the wheels on road, nobody can have that expectation now and that’s going to prove to be a big issue. 
 

I think my biggest concern is between the 3 of them they don’t appear to have a fucking clue how much a player should cost. 
 

they offered the same amount for Guehi as they offered out Flash for. 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by r0cafella

[Coffee_Johnny]

44 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

It’s march day at last and despite that fact I’m still utterly perplexed at how we’ve conducted ourselves. 

We’ll soon be haring around the pitch. 

[The College Dropout]

5 hours ago, timnufc22 said:

Ashworth has to take some of the blame for overspending so badly; £70m was spent on a LB who wasn’t viewed as ready to play by the manager and a winger who was viewed as second choice to the other winger they’d signed only 6 months previous. Even Livramento only played because of major injuries and even that at left back a lot, not his favoured position. 
 

Regardless of all that, how you can miscalculate £70m in PSR terms is unbelievable. I said in another thread how I think there’s a lot of blaggers in football and people who operate at high levels through other reasons than actual ability. 
 

To me, looking from the outside, PIF need to seek out someone reliable in the football world and ask them for advice about who’s legit and who’s really a bullshitter deep down, CEO-wise. Then hire a legit, competent, CEO. I’d also say to promote Steve Nickson or just get rid of the DoF role full stop. Let Howe, Nickson and scouts sort out the football decisions, leave the finance to the new CEO /

current chairman.

This is pure conjecture from me. But it feels like we have aggressive playing targets, need to comply with FFP but PIF aren’t trying to exploit loopholes. Which is a bit of an impossible task. But it would explain our transfer windows. 
 

I disagree about promoting Nickson or removing the DOF. We need strong leadership and a strategy that aligns the owners expectations, actions and everyone else follows.
 

Tell Howe he doesn’t need European football every season but he does need to develop players and players at peak value will be sold.  If he doesn’t like it let him go.  
 

If we want £70m CBs at peak value. Want to keep our stars. PIF need to exploit FFP loopholes aggressively.  
 

 

also don’t like this idea that it’s one player or nothing. Bellamy and Robert were second choices.  Transformative signings. Leandro Trossard and Jorginho were second choices.  They’ve been very good for Arsenal.  

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, Zero said:

There was a possibility that Ashworth gambled we could advance to the latter stage of ECL that the extra price money could help to cover part of the cost, plus the Joelinton sale (yeah I know).

 

And that could also probably explain why he was so desperate to accept Man Utd offer after we crashed out from ECL - he knew what would happen afterwards. 
 

the PSR requirement is something very football industry specialised. It requires a lot of football knowledge, connection and communication, and also long term planning to survive from it, nevermind making good use of it. I am really not surprised that Eales / Amanda / all of them (except Ashworth) got caught by the PSR requirement, hence the disaster, because it is not something common in other kinds of business. You cannot just hire a CEO or director from a fast food chain or department store and expect them to fully understand what the hell PSR is and the real implication on squad building.

 

Ashworth knew it though. He must knew it, that’s why he is so desperate for the Man Utd job. If he stayed, what happened last 6 months would hurt his reputation as a competent DOF. Now he is enjoying the praise for a very successful window there. Got it?

I disagree that PSR requires specialist footballing knowledge. It’s just accounting. It’s business more than anything.  That’s on the ownership and the CEO more than anyone else. 
 

If anything football people (without a finance or business school background) might struggle to understand it. When people say selling x player for £50m pays for 5 £50m signings on 5 year deals. Thats technically true for one year but shows a naive understanding of the rules. You then need to have another £50m the next season and wages for 5 players in both seasons. 
 

I don’t think anyone knew how serious the ramifications would be so that’s a legitimate excuse of sorts. They went straight for points deductions.  Not fines or transfer bans. 

[1964]

We need to learn two things from this nonsense, get the deals done early and if we're getting fucked about, walk away immediately 

[Ben]

Did the Man City case about sponsorship ever get a result ? 

[1964]

Just now, Ben said:

Did the Man City case about sponsorship ever get a result ? 

I think Man City have the legal team to make them almost above the law.  Refute, deny, delay so they can largely do as they please

[Ben]

Just now, 1964 said:

I think Man City have the legal team to make them almost above the law.  Refute, deny, delay so they can largely do as they please

 

True but we were expecting a verdict weeks ago that would determine if the Saudis could sponsor us through their own companies and as far as I can tell we've heard nowt

[toon25]

Some of the local Forest rags reckon we bid 50 million for Elanga on Friday

[Zero]

24 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I disagree that PSR requires specialist footballing knowledge. It’s just accounting. It’s business more than anything.  That’s on the ownership and the CEO more than anyone else. 
 

If anything football people (without a finance or business school background) might struggle to understand it. When people say selling x player for £50m pays for 5 £50m signings on 5 year deals. Thats technically true for one year but shows a naive understanding of the rules. You then need to have another £50m the next season and wages for 5 players in both seasons. 
 

I don’t think anyone knew how serious the ramifications would be so that’s a legitimate excuse of sorts. They went straight for points deductions.  Not fines or transfer bans. 

No, TCD you got it wrong. 
1. yes, the PSR issue looks like purely an accounting stuff, that you can calculate the capacity / black hole by accounting / amortization / P&L etc, BUT

 

2. The real market valuation of the player, their progress, their performance on the pitch, their value change after incidents, value change close to end of contract etc are purely industry knowledge.

 

Just like Chelsea. They are now trying to sell those fringe players at a price even higher than their acquisition fees. We all know it won’t happen, because we have the knowledge and experience as a fans following for decades. Boehly is not a football fans for long. He probably is using his knowledge from other US sports

 

In other threads I did say Bruno’s value is dropping already and we might already missed the boat. There are a few people here fiercely voicing out their disagreement. So even football fans could have great variation re a players value, why not those managements that probably just joined the industry for 3-5 years? 
 

And upon that you also need to draft long term plans re players in and out in accordance to their progress, their value and impact on PSR caps.

 

No way you don’t need specific industry knowledge for this.

 

 

Edited 23 minutes ago by Zero

[Ben]

End of the day the Sky 6 have succeeded in preventing us from challenging them by bring in these rules, whilst at the same time breaking them with no consequences.