Rafalove Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: If you only play with 1 striker then two strikers in a squad is pretty normal for most clubs. Even City only have Haaland and Alvarez (who can play other positions). Isak and Wilson with Joelinton/Gordon as emergency options is fine for now. Is the difference not their injury record though? Not to mention Man City didn’t even play with a striker the season before. I’m not sure could get away with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: If you only play with 1 striker then two strikers in a squad is pretty normal for most clubs. Even City only have Haaland and Alvarez (who can play other positions). Isak and Wilson with Joelinton/Gordon as emergency options is fine for now. Neither Haaland or Alavarez are injury prone like Wilson though. That's why most people have such an issue with going into the season with only 2 recognised strikers. No reason you can't find a young player who won't take up a squad place and can cover the striker position but aslo either wide position. Its by no means the most important area that we need to address but it does need addressing at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mazzy said: Neither Haaland or Alavarez are injury prone like Wilson though. That's why most people have such an issue with going into the season with only 2 recognised strikers. No reason you can't find a young player who won't take up a squad place and can cover the striker position but aslo either wide position. Its by no means the most important area that we need to address but it does need addressing at some point. Then we've made a mistake giving a new contract to Wilson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 hour ago, andycap said: Nah homegrown for Europe he has a place. If we send kuol on loan we will be short. Plus when Wilson was looking over the hill after the World Cup we struggled massively with isak been out. Young Armstrong is rapid aswell. Arent we just better buying someone under 21 who might actually develop into something good - would do the same covering role and wouldnt take up a CL registration spot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) It's not just Man City though. Arsenal have two (Jesus and Nketiah), Man United only really had Weghorst this season with Rashford who can also play through the muddle. Spurs only have Kane/Richarlison and Son who is more versatile. Very few clubs have more than two out and out centre forwards in this day and age. In fact even keeping two happy can be hard (look at the difficulties Arsenal had with Nketiah's contract for example). Teams have other players who can also play through the middle when needed. We need a long term replacement for Wilson IMO, not just any kid to fill a squad place who won't get game time. Edited June 24, 2023 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: Then we've made a mistake giving a new contract to Wilson? Possibly. That will all depend how fit he can be over the remainder of his contract. If we can get 25+ appearances per season out of him then it's been worth it, if not then it was (in hindsight) a mistake. Chances are if we don't sign ANY strikers this summer, next summer is when we'll need to go big for one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, andycap said: Adam Armstrong as third choice striker for hg status. I'd imagine he'd be cheap. Or even a loan. What am I reading here 😱😂 Far to early for drugs mind Edited June 24, 2023 by Toonjam88 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, ponsaelius said: It's not just Man City though. Arsenal have two (Jesus and Nketiah), Man United only really had Weghorst this season with Rashford who can also play through the muddle. Spurs only have Kane and then put Son through the middle when he's not available. Very few clubs have more than two out and out centre forwards in this day and age. In fact even keeping two happy can be hard (look at the difficulties Arsenal had with Nketiah's contract for example). Teams have other players who can also play through the middle when needed. We need a long term replacement for Wilson IMO, not just any kid to fill a squad place who won't get game time. Aye, two is the going rate, plus a winger or attacking midfielder who can fill in if desperate. Think we're covered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Toonjam88 said: What am I reading here 😱😂 Far to early for drugs mind Aye somebody has definitely been having something HOME GROWN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 A lot has been made about Anderson not getting enough gametime and he's a player who can play in all three midfield positions and either wing. In the modern game central strikers are second only to goalkeepers in competition stakes - because there is only one position you can play on the pitch. I can't think of any club who play one forward who retain three central strikers within the squad. Doing so is either wasting resources or stunting a youngsters development. Gordon played central striker for Everton and England U21s. I think he will be our third choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I don't personally think Anderson needs a loan and I'd keep him. Realistically, is he ever going to be a regular starter for a title chasing team? Getting 15 starts across the competitions and 20 odd sub apps could be his limit imo. Could be down to him if he's happy with that or would want to leave for regular starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skeletor Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: A lot has been made about Anderson not getting enough gametime and he's a player who can play in all three midfield positions and either wing. In the modern game central strikers are second only to goalkeepers in competition stakes - because there is only one position you can play on the pitch. I can't think of any club who play one forward who retain three central strikers within the squad. Doing so is either wasting resources or stunting a youngsters development. Gordon played central striker for Everton and England U21s. I think he will be our third choice. Yao-off-a-cliff.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Jack27 said: He is a left sided centre back who can play left back not sure we need him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahoneys Tache Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 24 minutes ago, STM said: Aye somebody has definitely been having something HOME GROWN. Someone on my street is growing industrial quantities at home. Go out to put something in the bin and come back telling wor lass about a conversation I just had with god. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, Jack27 said: Somewhat coincidentally, a friend who’s a big Feyenoord fan was frothing about him the other day. Saying he was the best defender he’s seen since De Vrij and expects him to replace KMJ at Napoli. Not sure we need another left-footed cb though unless we want him to take up the Burn role? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, Toonjam88 said: He is a left sided centre back who can play left back not sure we need him. This will go down like a lead balloon but if we could get our fee back for Burn now while he's still capable and before he starts to decline in his 30s and trade him for a player 6 years younger then I'd do it. We've seen with Wood we can be ruthless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, McCormick said: Somewhat coincidentally, a friend who’s a big Feyenoord fan was frothing about him the other day. Saying he was the best defender he’s seen since De Vrij and expects him to replace KMJ at Napoli. Not sure we need another left-footed cb though unless we want him to take up the Burn role? certainly seems like someone who could play BDB's role: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: This will go down like a lead balloon but if we could get our fee back for Burn now while he's still capable and before he starts to decline in his 30s and trade him for a player 6 years younger then I'd do it. We've seen with Wood we can be ruthless. Honestly think Burn is worth much more to us than the paltry fee we’d receive for him. Would be a massive mistake imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: This will go down like a lead balloon but if we could get our fee back for Burn now while he's still capable and before he starts to decline in his 30s and trade him for a player 6 years younger then I'd do it. We've seen with Wood we can be ruthless. Difference is Wood was a completely incompetent player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I think a quality right winger who could fill in up front in an emergency would be the ideal signing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, McCormick said: Honestly think Burn is worth much more to us than the paltry fee we’d receive for him. Would be a massive mistake imo Dummett, Ritchie, Gillespie, Lascelles...how many cheerleader types do we need? Can't be having a 1/5th of the squad there just because they're popular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 hours ago, alexf said: I just remember that Sheffield Wednesday game where we attempted to rotate the squad and it really showed how poor we were beneath the 12-13 regular starters. We rotated too many and Shef Wed were at home in 3rd round of the FA Cup live on TV on a longer unbeaten run than ours even. What did you expect? It was always going to be a tough fixture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Wonder if Busquets and possibly Thuram to Inter would mean we'd go back for Barella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: Wonder if Busquets and possibly Thuram to Inter would mean we'd go back for Barella. Busquets is going to Inter Miami Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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