r0cafella Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, The College Dropout said: Aye if we sell Elanga next season we make a PSR loss. But let’s be honest. His £11m amortisation when playing has been bad value for money anyway so what does it matter? If we sign a loan player that helps us win games, our revenues increase and it’s worth the money. And if we don't win games and continue as we are it's a waste plus we don't get the upside of having an asset ultimately we've pissed away so much money we are in a shit position regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Have we maximised this seasons champions league money ? Cos we wont have it next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 6 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Oh for sure, Elanga appears to be a poor buy and yes we won't cover his years amortisation if we loan him out. But at least his age profile gives us a chance. Imagine if Wissa plays like he did at the weekend on a regular basis Deffo - Wissa is much higher risk in the PSR world as you’ve zero chance of clawback. Which of course doesn’t matter if he scores the goals you want over the course of the four year contract. Not looking great on that front at present Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: Deffo - Wissa is much higher risk in the PSR world as you’ve zero chance of clawback. Which of course doesn’t matter if he scores the goals you want over the course of the four year contract. Not looking great on that front at present Which is odd as I railed against the deal and was told no bother he will fire us 25 goals and we will be back in the CL no bother Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: You’re missing my point. Elanga is very much worst case scenario and was a poor buy. If he was good it would be beneficial to amortize the fee. As I said earlier loans unless your getting a Lewis hall are very much emergency break use. You just need players that will help you win matches right now. Thats going to be worth money itself. I don’t think Jadon Sancho was a great loan. But he’s starting games so Villa dont need to persist with a transfer that didn’t work out. Howe only trusts about 17 players. Thats not enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 minutes ago, r0cafella said: And if we don't win games and continue as we are it's a waste plus we don't get the upside of having an asset ultimately we've pissed away so much money we are in a shit position regardless. But there’s an upside. There’s no upside from doing what we are doing now. Not taking a risk is also a risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: You just need players that will help you win matches right now. Thats going to be worth money itself. I don’t think Jadon Sancho was a great loan. But he’s starting games so Villa dont need to persist with a transfer that didn’t work out. Howe only trusts about 17 players. Thats not enough. As you mentioned Howe doesn't trust a lot of players and we have the trademark bedding in period as well. A loan would be pointless as they would just warm the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Which is odd as I railed against the deal and was told no bother he will fire us 25 goals and we will be back in the CL no bother It has to be said, I didn’t imagine he was as limited a footballer as he’s proved to be so far. If he had two 20+ goal seasons over two years then I’d argue he would be just about worth it in terms of PSR. Yes, the injury was unlucky, but he doesn’t just look ‘rusty’ to me. I was ok with signing him re PSR, I was more worried about the way he went on at Brentford. Just seemed like selling a cunt, buying a cunt to me last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: But there’s an upside. There’s no upside from doing what we are doing now. Not taking a risk is also a risk. Unfortunately the ship has seemingly set sail. What we needed to do was spending a quarter of a billion wisely. Alas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: It has to be said, I didn’t imagine he was as limited a footballer as he’s proved to be so far. If he had two 20+ goal seasons over two years then I’d argue he would be just about worth it in terms of PSR. Yes, the injury was unlucky, but he doesn’t just look ‘rusty’ to me. I was ok with signing him re PSR, I was more worried about the way he went on at Brentford. Just seemed like selling a cunt, buying a cunt to me last year. I wouldn't put it that way. isak is definitely a cunt I do have some limited sympathy with Wissa. Ultimately we did what we have a habit of doing and we kicked the can until we couldn't and ended up paying a massive fee for a guy who was at his peak with no resale value Unfortunately we just aren't a savvy elite organisation, we bumble through making do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, r0cafella said: As you mentioned Howe doesn't trust a lot of players and we have the trademark bedding in period as well. A loan would be pointless as they would just warm the bench. I don't think this is really true. Pope, Botman, Thiaw, Burn, Trippier, Isak all into the first team and immediately contributing. And most of those came into winning teams with players in good form. That isn't the situation here. Tonali, even Bruno and Gordon joined winning teams with players performing well. If players come in and perform - they'll start and get good minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 45 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Re-sale doesn’t mean it has a PSR impact. If we sign a permanent player for £50m on a five-year contract or a loan player for a year for £10m it has the same PSR impact in that season. You’re also not stuck with the player if they flop. Permanent deals are no guarantee of better PSR outcomes. The trick is clearly to avoid shite signings either way. Signing younger players like Roefs or the young kid at Man U are no brainers though, lower fee and wages which minimises the PSR risk that’s present with every transfer. Edited January 26 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, The College Dropout said: I don't think this is really true. Pope, Botman, Thiaw, Burn, Trippier, Isak all into the first team and immediately contributing. And most of those came into winning teams with players in good form. That isn't the situation here. Tonali, even Bruno and Gordon joined winning teams with players performing well. If players come in and perform - they'll start and get good minutes. Not to be that guy but if we look at those players it's quite simple no? Keepers don't need bedding in. Botman we didn't have many other options Burn we had no other options. Thiaw came in when we had injuries Trips we had no other options/was miles better than what we had. isak came in because we had Wilson who was also injury prone. Also, if you look at all those players they are better than what we had before. We've proven to struggle to replace output recently Murphy is still out best right winger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 6 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I wouldn't put it that way. isak is definitely a cunt I do have some limited sympathy with Wissa. Ultimately we did what we have a habit of doing and we kicked the can until we couldn't and ended up paying a massive fee for a guy who was at his peak with no resale value Unfortunately we just aren't a savvy elite organisation, we bumble through making do. I’d have pretty much the same view of both if the clubs involved didn’t include mine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Not to be that guy but if we look at those players it's quite simple no? Keepers don't need bedding in. Botman we didn't have many other options Burn we had no other options. Thiaw came in when we had injuries Trips we had no other options/was miles better than what we had. isak came in because we had Wilson who was also injury prone. Also, if you look at all those players they are better than what we had before. We've proven to struggle to replace output recently Murphy is still out best right winger Im just not buying that we can’t sign anyone on loan that can’t add value to this team within 5 months. Thats essentially what you’re telling me - we are so special and unique that any loan player we sign will offer little so the entire idea does not work for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, The College Dropout said: Im just not buying that we can’t sign anyone on loan that can’t add value to this team within 5 months. Thats essentially what you’re telling me - we are so special and unique that any loan player we sign will offer little so the entire idea does not work for us. We can go pay 5m for Asensio and pick up his 300k per week wages but id be sure he wouldn't get much playing time. Ultimately as the gaffer has said in a roundabout way he doesn't want players on loan so what do you do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 15 minutes ago, r0cafella said: We can go pay 5m for Asensio and pick up his 300k per week wages but id be sure he wouldn't get much playing time. Ultimately as the gaffer has said in a roundabout way he doesn't want players on loan so what do you do? Give him a good player and see if he doesn’t play him. There is every chance Howe ‘fails’ in the eyes of many this season. If the club provide him 2 talented players on loan that Howe refuses to use, I would be a lot less sympathetic to how the season unfolds. But also I don’t think Howe should dictate transfer policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Hindsight should dictate our transfer policy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, Dr.Spaceman said: It's absolutely nailed on what's going to happen on the 4th Feb away to Man City (result aside)....right Yep. We went into the season knowing Burn would be back up LB, or Trippier needed for many games at RB if Tino fills in at LB. So with Burn back, that’s it sorted. Then we can repeat same conversations we had a couple of months ago when Hall picks up an injury and Burn is giving short straw of playing LB again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 14 minutes ago, Sibierski said: Yep. We went into the season knowing Burn would be back up LB, or Trippier needed for many games at RB if Tino fills in at LB. So with Burn back, that’s it sorted. Then we can repeat same conversations we had a couple of months ago when Hall picks up an injury and Burn is giving short straw of playing LB again. The backup is Tino though. And that was always a massive risk that has also become an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Perhaps we're saving our cash for a new manager in the coming summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 10 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Perhaps we're saving our cash for a new manager in the coming summer. Looking forward to seeing what Jose can do in 2026 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 minute ago, TRC said: Looking forward to seeing what Jose can do in 2026 He had the Benfica ultras braying the club's training ground doors down at the weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Just now, Fak said: He had the Benfica ultras braying the club's training ground doors down at the weekend I have a feeling PIF will move for a name once Eddie leaves. Jose is still probably the biggest name in management outside of Pep and Ancelotti. or they could be super bold and get Pep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Does manager salary count for PSR? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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