NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Infinitely Content]

3 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Don't think he's well clear of him like you had originally said. Certainly not in the final third.

 

If Tino and Trippier are both leaving bringing in a solid prem performer and then a younger prospect with a higher upside makes sense to me, and is likely what they are looking at doing.

I didn't say he was clear of him in the final third, but there's not many full backs who produce consistently in the final third, Williams included. Again, Tino is heavily linked to Manchester City - the best team in the country and one of the best in the world. Williams isn't and there's a good reason for that. I don't think it's particularly close between them tbh.

 

 

Edited April 9 by Infinitely Content

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Elliottman said:

 

We signed some of our best players with no European football. It can be done. 

 

In reality, those sort of signings will get us better value anyway. If we are going to use Europe as an attraction to sign bigger hitters, more likely we will just end up missing out because we will be outbit by the cartel clubs. We need to target the players before they reach proven level otherwise it will be a repeat of last summer. 

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Infinitely Content said:

I didn't say he was clear of him in the final third, but there's not many full backs who produce consistently in the final third, Williams included. Again, Tino is heavily linked to Manchester City - the best team in the country and one of the best in the world. Williams isn't and there's a good reason for that. I don't think it's particularly close between them tbh.

 

 

 

 

Yes, Tino is better, but I don't think he's totally clear of him either and certainly not in the final third (which is a part of the assessment), where Tino is worse IMO is the point I was making.

 

Looks like Tino is leaving and finding a similar level of player without paying the type of money Man City are going to have to give us for him, likely means looking at someone outside the league. We've been linked with loads of these types. I'm pretty certain we'll sign one of those alongside someone like Williams who is already comfortable and dependable in the league, as Trippier is leaving too.

 

I think that's the right sort of approach.

[SUPERTOON]

10 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yes, Tino is better, but I don't think he's totally clear of him either and certainly not in the final third (which is a part of the assessment), where Tino is worse IMO is the point I was making.

 

Looks like Tino is leaving and finding a similar level of player without paying the type of money Man City are going to have to give us for him, likely means looking at someone outside the league. We've been linked with loads of these types. I'm pretty certain we'll sign one of those alongside someone like Williams who is already comfortable and dependable in the league, as Trippier is leaving too.

 

I think that's the right sort of approach.

I think we lean more towards a CB who can play RB (really hoping for Acheampong), and then a more traditional RB. 

[Infinitely Content]

10 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yes, Tino is better, but I don't think he's totally clear of him either and certainly not in the final third (which is a part of the assessment), where Tino is worse IMO is the point I was making.

 

Looks like Tino is leaving and finding a similar level of player without paying the type of money Man City are going to have to give us for him, likely means looking at someone outside the league. We've been linked with loads of these types. I'm pretty certain we'll sign one of those alongside someone like Williams who is already comfortable and dependable in the league, as Trippier is leaving too.

 

I think that's the right sort of approach.

At the right price, I'd be happy with him as a Trippier replacement to offer cover on both sides. As I said, I like Williams and think he's decent - but as a starter, in attempt to create a settled back four and recover our defensive stability and solidity, we need someone with a similar upside to Tino imo.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I'm not backing any more signings for the sake of my reputation, but I've always been impressed with Williams when I've seen him. Definitely better with the ball than Tino. 

 

As I said though, not putting my name to any signings this summer. 

 

 

Edited April 9 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Dokko]

20 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

But we saw the exact opposite of this last summer... Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton and even Sunderland have players who would walk into our "Champions League" squad.

 

Players of unknown quality. All of which you would have turned your nose up at the start of the season. So many missed chances as we went for proven quality from the PL. 

 

Think we'll do a better job this summer spreading out over several signings from abroad with a couple of PL players in the correct starting positions, most likely relegation teams, or those who have under delivered this season (it'll happen above us, and we'll do it to those below us) but we'd be shopping differently with Europe. 

 

The other thing is regular Europe brings better draws when we do make it to the CL instead of being the last pot and taking a kicking. That would also help our season as we don't have to leave everything on the pitch each CL game just to compete. 

 

But if you want to pretend this season doesn't impact us negatively and hasn't set us back, I'm fine with that. I'll sit here in the camp knowing it has, and ready for what comes next. 

[Dokko]

29 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

 

We signed some of our best players with no European football. It can be done. 

 

Massive buzz around the club back then. That moment has passed (left with Mandy Imo)

 

But anything is possible. Leicester won the league after narrowly escaping relegation. Best stick some money on forest or wham for the '27 title. 

[John P]

The issue with Williams will be the price. Forest will have our pants down again for someone who most seem to suggest will be the backup/cover option for both full back positions. It just wouldn't be a good use of limited funds. There must be a player not in the PL who would be decent cover for full back and cost half the price of Williams

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, Infinitely Content said:

At the right price, I'd be happy with him as a Trippier replacement to offer cover on both sides. As I said, I like Williams and think he's decent - but as a starter, in attempt to create a settled back four and recover our defensive stability and solidity, we need someone with a similar upside to Tino imo.

 

I'd hope Wilson is privy to some info regarding a lower fee should they get relegated, and so they are positioning themselves should that be the case.

 

We've been linked with a number of highly rated younger right backs that will likely need a bit of time to acclimatise, much like Tino did initially playing behind Trippier, and so if we get a Williams he may well start initially at least.

[TRon]

7 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Massive buzz around the club back then. That moment has passed (left with Mandy Imo)

 

But anything is possible. Leicester won the league after narrowly escaping relegation. Best stick some money on forest or wham for the '27 title. 

 

 

I don't think fans or even the board realised the true impact of PSR back then either. 

[TRon]

7 minutes ago, John P said:

The issue with Williams will be the price. Forest will have our pants down again for someone who most seem to suggest will be the backup/cover option for both full back positions. It just wouldn't be a good use of limited funds. There must be a player not in the PL who would be decent cover for full back and cost half the price of Williams

 

 

This. Although since Wilson has been hired to prevent exactly such a situation in the future, I'm surprised we are even looking at him in the first place. Makes you wonder how serious the rumours are, or is it just clickbait based on his former Forest connections?

 

 

[Theregulars]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

Because the fees and wages are inflated to a point it isn't sustainable for us to do so. 

Is that true, though? We keep targeting them and seem to be in a position to spend more now. 
 

I’ll certainly take the argument about inflated fees and wages, but I also do take the rational argument of seen them prove it in very similar conditions and circumstances. 
 

like anything, the right answer is a mixture (which is what we’ve done since the takeover to largely good effect before this season)

[KingArthur]

5 hours ago, r0cafella said:

@lovejoyis a canny poster who does get info. If he says we are watching him I believe it 

Maybe so, but why would our scouts fly to Portugal to watch him, when they can see him 38 times in a season in UK? 

I don't know who gets info and where, but that just makes no sense.

[r0cafella]

8 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

Is that true, though? We keep targeting them and seem to be in a position to spend more now. 
 

I’ll certainly take the argument about inflated fees and wages, but I also do take the rational argument of seen them prove it in very similar conditions and circumstances. 
 

like anything, the right answer is a mixture (which is what we’ve done since the takeover to largely good effect before this season)

It is, if we didn't sell the stadium to ourselves we would have lost 90m. 

 

I think realistically speaking the right answer is we can't compete for such players right now. In the future that will hopefully change but our revenue still lags behind the cartel clubs and squad coat for us is especially punishing because to attract good players, we have to pay premiums as we are less desirable. 

 

Basically financially, we can't really afford to pay premiums in terms of fees and wages, we will have to either find cheaper options or embrace selling players. 

[KaKa]

14 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

Maybe so, but why would our scouts fly to Portugal to watch him, when they can see him 38 times in a season in UK? 

I don't know who gets info and where, but that just makes no sense.

 

Likely to see more of him against a decent level of European competition.

[TRon]

6 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

It is, if we didn't sell the stadium to ourselves we would have lost 90m. 

 

I think realistically speaking the right answer is we can't compete for such players right now. In the future that will hopefully change but our revenue still lags behind the cartel clubs and squad coat for us is especially punishing because to attract good players, we have to pay premiums as we are less desirable. 

 

Basically financially, we can't really afford to pay premiums in terms of fees and wages, we will have to either find cheaper options or embrace selling players. 

 

 

That's why this summer's transfer activity is going to be so interesting for me tbh. I think the club have recognised the reality, and we will have to trade differently. We gave it a good go going big on transfers, but without the CL that isn't sustainable. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

 

That's why this summer's transfer activity is going to be so interesting for me tbh. I think the club have recognised the reality, and we will have to trade differently. We gave it a good go going big on transfers, but without the CL that isn't sustainable. 

We sell two purples this summer imo. The test is going to be replacing them and how we we approach it. Biggest window since the first January one under these owners. 

[Dokko]

38 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

I don't think fans or even the board realised the true impact of PSR back then either. 

 

I think you're probably right. Was a buy now, think later strategy. Worked for a bit due to the tightness of Ashley, but once that fell off we had to deal with the reality.

[Dokko]

13 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We sell two purples this summer imo. The test is going to be replacing them and how we we approach it. Biggest window since the first January one under these owners. 

 

Could be quite an exciting one. Just need to not get stuck on targets for weeks and move on. Same goes for selling. Do it quickly. 

[TRon]

19 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We sell two purples this summer imo. The test is going to be replacing them and how we we approach it. Biggest window since the first January one under these owners. 

 

 

I hope we only sell one tbh, but if Tonali really wants to leave, it might be two. 

[KaKa]

Linked with Brighton goalie on loan at Coventry Carl Rushworth. Going into the last year of his contract this summer too. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 9 by KaKa

[r0cafella]

Just now, TRon said:

 

 

I hope we only sell one tbh, but if Tonali really wants to leave, it might be two. 

Tino inexplicably only has 2 years left and seemingly isn't interested in renewing so we will have to shift him. 

 

We might end up pricing Sandro out of a move as he's got a long time left. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

We don't need to sell quickly at all man, we need to be smart and not just offload our assets the first time someone throws in a bid (not that I think we've done that at all, remember that Isak bloke?)

[Dokko]

Just now, Dr.Spaceman said:

We don't need to sell quickly at all man, we need to be smart and not just offload our assets the first time someone throws in a bid (not that I think we've done that at all, remember that Isak bloke?)

 

We hung on and derailed the season. Aye, I remember. Worked out spiffing.