Harvey Barnes

[TBG]

28? Get rid. He's only going to get older.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Arguably the best player song at the moment. 

[Mike]

5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Arguably the best player song at the moment. 

 

Still salty the Hotstepper Woltemade remix only I liked didn't take off.

[Loki679]

1 hour ago, Mike said:

 

Still salty the Hotstepper Woltemade remix only I liked didn't take off.

 

There's your problem.

[Mike]

Not you trying to comment on matters of taste. 

[Loki679]

32 minutes ago, Mike said:

Not you trying to comment on matters of taste. 

 

I ain't the one whinging that nobody likes my song.

 

In failure we should reflect on ourselves in order to improve.  Externalising our feelings of rejection and worthlessness only amplifies them and brings us to a path of self destruction and anger.

[Aiston]

I'd be so pissed getting dropped yet again from left wing for Gordon

 

Happened last season for no good reason at all while Barnes was in form...happens again this season when Barnes was in form.

[TRon]

He knows he's not getting past their full back on the outside like, he gave up even pretending pretty quickly. 

[andycap]

He's been good put some quality balls in aswell links up well with tino. 

[Newcastle Fan]

Not a fan of him on the right to be honest, feels like he's playing out of position.

[Myleftboot]

If he’s going to play tony Gordon on the left would rather Murphy or elanga played right wing.

[La Parka]

Absolute joke he's not starting.

 

Lads done loads for us and has to sit and watch Eddie's untouchables stink up the pitch. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He’s also a bad sub IMO, especially when the game is going against us or the opposition are confident. Never seems to have enough to impose himself in those situations. 

[Aiston]

Starting to think Howe hates him.

 

Been dropped two or three times when in very good form for a shit Gordon.

 

Where's rewarding someone for being in good form gone?

[Smal]

pretty much our only reliable goalscorer. It’s mad when he doesn’t start at the moment, like.

[Lush Vlad]

3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

He’s also a bad sub IMO, especially when the game is going against us or the opposition are confident. Never seems to have enough to impose himself in those situations. 

 

I think he is a good sub when the game is in the balance or against a team that won't sit back.  But I agree that he isn't great coming on when we are chasing the game. 

 

He is frustrating in a different way to Gordon.  As he drifts in and out of games.  But at least he seems to actually try and make things happen with a cross or a shot.

[El Prontonise]

I think he has to start most games for us simply of his goal threat and being the best finisher at the club currently.

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, Aiston said:

Starting to think Howe hates him.

 

Been dropped two or three times when in very good form for a shit Gordon.

 

Where's rewarding someone for being in good form gone?

Agreed. Gordon is only ever 1 good game away from starting the next in his favoured position. Barnes can play well one game and sit the bench the next or move around.

[Lush Vlad]

I wonder if even at the top level.  There are players who are always moved or subbed off, as it is easier for the manager to do so.  We all know managers that treat players like that at a lower level. 

 

I always felt like Murphy and Barnes would get subbed off over the last season or two, regardless of how they are playing. 

 

Whereas Gordon who seems like a bit of a stroppy type.  Seems to be indulged by Howe, doesn't get shunted to the right and seemingly comes back in to replace Barnes on the left.  No matter how undeserved. 

 

He has been much better the few games prior to this.  But I still don't think he should be starting ahead of Barnes.  Nor do I think he should never have to play on the right.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think the fact Gordon has been better is important to remember like, it’s not like the decision to play him was just random. 

[madras]

3 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I wonder if even at the top level.  There are players who are always moved or subbed off, as it is easier for the manager to do so.  We all know managers that treat players like that at a lower level. 

 

I always felt like Murphy and Barnes would get subbed off over the last season or two, regardless of how they are playing. 

 

Whereas Gordon who seems like a bit of a stroppy type.  Seems to be indulged by Howe, doesn't get shunted to the right and seemingly comes back in to replace Barnes on the left.  No matter how undeserved. 

 

He has been much better the few games prior to this.  But I still don't think he should be starting ahead of Barnes.  Nor do I think he should never have to play on the right.

I bet across the league wide attackers are the most subbed players.

[madras]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I think the fact Gordon has been better is important to remember like, it’s not like the decision to play him was just random. 

Hes been better than he was a bit earlier. Was he better or more dangerous than Barnes ?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, madras said:

Hes been better than he was a bit earlier. Was he better or more dangerous than Barnes ?

Hard to say, probably not on what he’s done but he did score the pens and looked much sharper. 
 

Right or wrong I just think Gordon is seen as having more to his game, so that higher ceiling is something the manager wants to see. Of course he needs to show it more. 
 

They should both play really. 
 

Edit: or I guess the ultimate aim was that they would rotate and they’d both be playing well and we’d be enjoying this better squad we thought we had built. 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2025 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Lush Vlad]

7 minutes ago, madras said:

I bet across the league wide attackers are the most subbed players.

 

I didn't mean it like that.  I meant there seems to be players that are easy targets, as in they won't kick up a fuss.  I might be reading too much into it.  But it feels like Gordon has been mainly poor for a while.  But still kept getting undeserved starts or staying on the pitch when he should have come off ahead of others.

 

The theory doesn't work very well when he got hauled yesterday, mind  

[The College Dropout]

14 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I wonder if even at the top level.  There are players who are always moved or subbed off, as it is easier for the manager to do so.  We all know managers that treat players like that at a lower level. 

 

I always felt like Murphy and Barnes would get subbed off over the last season or two, regardless of how they are playing. 

 

Whereas Gordon who seems like a bit of a stroppy type.  Seems to be indulged by Howe, doesn't get shunted to the right and seemingly comes back in to replace Barnes on the left.  No matter how undeserved. 

 

He has been much better the few games prior to this.  But I still don't think he should be starting ahead of Barnes.  Nor do I think he should never have to play on the right.

Yes i think it's worse at the top level. Its an issue at Real Madrid and England. 

 

It's harder to drop certain players. Harder to sub them. Xabi's problems really escalated when he subbed Vini (when winning) and purposely not subbing him at the next similar opportunity (and starting him even) compounded his issue. But Xabi felt compelled to do it.

 

It's easy to sub or not start Guler in comparison. 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2025 by The College Dropout