Jordan Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Sean said: Every time we lose I get a little more enraged at Tonali The fucking cheek to move to a new club knowing you're gonna be banned and keep that from them. We could do with that £50 million on the fucking pitch. The whole summer business looks poor in hindsight apart from Livramento. Tonali ban, Barnes permanently crocked and Howe not rating Hall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said: I mean in hindsight we maybe could have tried to implement a more passive playstyle but I doubt he's going to do it at Christmas. In spite of having about 15 fit players we've hardly 'disgraced' ourselves outside of a handful of games (Everton, Bournemouth, Tottenham). The Milan performance was mostly great and we were massively unlucky agai st Chelsea despite being dead on our feet. Today wasn't even that bad, Luton were good and have been for a little while now, we did enough to earn a point. In my view we disgraced ourselves today. We were not at the required level to win a match, we were outfought and outthought. I consider that to be a disgrace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: You’re right, they’re emotive reactions mate - sometimes people just need a release. I felt numb more than owt else today. It is mainly fatigue, though that doesn’t mean that the management team takes no liability on that - failure to rotate at the start of the season and a failure to change up the playing style have contributed to the injuries and fatigue. The hotheads calling for Howe to be sacked or under pressure are being daft, of course. But I also don’t think Howe is blameless. Rational and I appreciate it. I get as frustrated as anyone. Who the fuck enjoys losing to Luton? It's a bit shit at the moment but as the years have gone on, i've learned to rein it in a bit and not let sporting disappointment ruin my day. I was at Blackpool in 1987 and watched us lose to a Tony Cunningham goal when they were 3 divisions below us. I suppose i've learned to not let it get to me and see the wider picture most of the time. Howe, if i'm going to criticize him at all, could perhaps have rotated better and earlier but nobody has a crystal ball to see what's coming. I love the bloke but doesn't mean he's beyond criticism. I just think today was inevitable and all part of the learning curve we're on as a club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I didn't even think it was anything like the descriptions I'm reading, unsurprisingly. Shit up top, really shit, particularly Wilson who yet again got ragdolled and resorted to panto villian bollocks, but behind our attacking players we dominated the ball and put the ball in areas where you'd expect at least one of Wilson, Almiron, Gordon, or Isak to be. But they never were. I can accept people calling it shite, abject, even pathetic, but I've seen people saying it was lacking effort, lazy, unprofessional, which is just complete bollocks like. At worst, they're playing like they're feeling sorry for themselves a bit, or just playing shite. Some have seemingly taken for granted what actual unprofessionalism looks like. Yeah they were weren't bad at all imo. Edited December 23, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, magvicar said: It doesn't matter who we play, what matters is us getting up to speed again with players back and a few new signings, whether that's loans or whatever. All is not lost. We were always likely to have a second season of come down after achieving what we did last season and what we've been through this season. It's not too late to kick start. Agree but i dont think January is the month to be positive. Looks brutal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: If the opposition are fitter they can close down space more effectively making passing opportunities harder. We've done it ourselves brilliantly for 2 years. This is fair. I’d have thought our players being more talented might have counted for more today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laviofies Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Imo, because of injuries and fatigue, our players are not training with the intensity that they did last season, so that also affects the performance in pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, LionOfGosforth said: Rational and I appreciate it. I get as frustrated as anyone. Who the fuck enjoys losing to Luton? It's a bit shit at the moment but as the years have gone on, i've learned to rein it in a bit and not let sporting disappointment ruin my day. I was at Blackpool in 1987 and watched us lose to a Tony Cunningham goal when they were 3 divisions below us. I suppose i've learned to not let it get to me and see the wider picture most of the time. Howe, if i'm going to criticize him at all, could perhaps have rotated better and earlier but nobody has a crystal ball to see what's coming. I love the bloke but doesn't mean he's beyond criticism. I just think today was inevitable and all part of the learning curve we're on as a club. ? well said. I wasn’t confident today, yes very disappointed, Howe will no doubt be very critical of himself. We’re still learning as you point out, manager, players and fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arknor Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Losing to Luton is embarrassing no excuses. should be able to beat that team with 9 or 10 men Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magvicar Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, nufc123 said: Agree but i dont think January is the month to be positive. Looks brutal. You're right, it does look brutal but brutal times can bring out the best in players. It might not work for us but then again it just might. I'm keeping my glass half full. Just one or two new signings and one or two returning injury players up to speed is all you need to kick start the entire squad into action again. Fingers crossed we start a revival on boxing day and run it through January and see what we have by then and see where the possibilities lie for the run in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said: Rational and I appreciate it. I get as frustrated as anyone. Who the fuck enjoys losing to Luton? It's a bit shit at the moment but as the years have gone on, i've learned to rein it in a bit and not let sporting disappointment ruin my day. I was at Blackpool in 1987 and watched us lose to a Tony Cunningham goal when they were 3 divisions below us. I suppose i've learned to not let it get to me and see the wider picture most of the time. Howe, if i'm going to criticize him at all, could perhaps have rotated better and earlier but nobody has a crystal ball to see what's coming. I love the bloke but doesn't mean he's beyond criticism. I just think today was inevitable and all part of the learning curve we're on as a club. In hindsight he probably should’ve just binned off the Everton game and rotated, but if he does that coming off a 1-0 win against Man United he gets pilloried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Doops said: No one has beaten Luton easily at their place all season so I'm not sure why our knackered 11 should If we’re so knackered, we sit deep and make ourselves hard to break down and hit on the break, much like we did when Howe first came in, go back to the shithousery and breaking up play until we can bring in reinforcements. There is no way that Luton or teams like that are good enough to break us down if we were to play like that again. This is the problem with Howe and what will get him replaced, he doesn’t seem able to adapt to the game in front of him like other managers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, LionOfGosforth said: Rational and I appreciate it. I get as frustrated as anyone. Who the fuck enjoys losing to Luton? It's a bit shit at the moment but as the years have gone on, i've learned to rein it in a bit and not let sporting disappointment ruin my day. I was at Blackpool in 1987 and watched us lose to a Tony Cunningham goal when they were 3 divisions below us. I suppose i've learned to not let it get to me and see the wider picture most of the time. Howe, if i'm going to criticize him at all, could perhaps have rotated better and earlier but nobody has a crystal ball to see what's coming. I love the bloke but doesn't mean he's beyond criticism. I just think today was inevitable and all part of the learning curve we're on as a club. Aye, it’s why I’m reluctant to be more than constructively critical of what’s happening - I think Howe will have learned the lessons of playing in Europe and we won’t see a repeat - he’s learning still, it’s his first ever European season. It’s impossible to play a high-intensity game while playing this many games - we did experience this briefly last season during the League Cup run. If we’re in Europe next year and the same thing occurs, I’m going to be far more critical tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Laviofies said: Imo, because of injuries and fatigue, our players are not training with the intensity that they did last season, so that also affects the performance in pitch. Yes I don’t think we can get away from the fact last season we had full weeks of prep for games. That helps prep time and helps prevent injuries. This season has been night and day in that respect. I’m sure Howe and the board will acknowledge they could do some things better and make note of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 When players are playing shite, game by game, or just on one day, you drop them/take them off. But we can't. It's not just about fatigue, we're not in a position to do anything different in terms of personnel. This is not normal for so long with so many big games. If we leave out Almiron or Gordon who plays in their stead? Matt Ritchie, an out of position full back or a 16 year old from the academy that everyone agrees is still a bit rubbish? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, Arknor said: Losing to Luton is embarrassing no excuses. should be able to beat that team with 9 or 10 men Hardly.. You must be forgetting their games against Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs. Where they deserved to get more points from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 It's funny isn't it. When we're winning it's unbelievable what Howe has done with largely the same players we had under Bruce, when we're losing the players are talented and should be beating Luton even with 9 or 10 men. Not saying it's the same people but it's funny how quickly things turn on a sixpence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC91 Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Newcastle really miss Joe willock or anothed player like him. Crying out for someone to pick up ball in midfield and drive on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Aye, it’s why I’m reluctant to be more than constructively critical of what’s happening - I think Howe will have learned the lessons of playing in Europe and we won’t see a repeat - he’s learning still, it’s his first ever European season. It’s impossible to play a high-intensity game while playing this many games - we did experience this briefly last season during the League Cup run. If we’re in Europe next year and the same thing occurs, I’m going to be far more critical tbh. If there's one thing that i've seen from EH and I think it's one of his best qualities, it's that he learns from mistakes and rarely repeats them. Compare that to the mugs we've had managing us down the years. I think he realizes better than anyone that mistakes have been made, certain things came a bit early for us and we will learn and be better for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 I wouldn't be too concerned about the struggles we are currently seeing this season. It was somewhat inevitable and is absolutely necessary. I think it will mean we are more ruthless with letting some players go this summer, and also that we will be more ambitious strengthening the squad going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said: If there's one thing that i've seen from EH and I think it's one of his best qualities, it's that he learns from mistakes and rarely repeats them. Compare that to the mugs we've had managing us down the years. I think he realizes better than anyone that mistakes have been made, certain things came a bit early for us and we will learn and be better for it. Agreed - he’s a ‘thinking’ manager. I’ve no doubt that the lessons he’s learned will reap rewards in the future - he’ll have learned loads this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 These players are spent - that 17 day break after Man City (unless there’s an FA Cup match in between) is going to be much need We have to add a couple of players even if on loan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 52 minutes ago, Theregulars said: Sure, but my opinion is that your opinion has no basis in fact and could only really be reached by an imbecile. Parts of what he said are true, Howe has never won anything and Emery was our first choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 We play in front of teams far too much, no direct running and miss Willock and Joelinton so much in that midfield. We just accepted defeat today, hardly any threat in their half, fucking easy for Luton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Mikky said: These players are spent - that 17 day break after Man City (unless there’s an FA Cup match in between) is going to be much need We have to add a couple of players even if on loan Lots of people are forgetting there's even a break in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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